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Old 11-20-07, 01:56 PM   #1
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Tools and Equipment for a Road bike build

A buddy of mine is going to help me build up my Salsa La Raza Road bike. My groupset will be Campy Centaur with Bontrager Race Lite wheels. My friend has assembled many bikes but I'm unsure if we have all the tools we'll need.

I want to make sure we have everything we'll need (tools, lubes, etc.). What will be the essentials for completing this build?

Does this kit on ebay have all the tools we'll need?
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You'll need Campy specific chain, BB, and cassette lock ring tools. Those are all proprietary items. Other than that, it looks ok.

If you're looking to do a kit, Performance Bike's Spin Doctor Pro kit I believe has a couple of Campy items in it, and also one from Price Point called Sette Torx ST 32.
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You'll need Campy specific chain, BB, and cassette lock ring tools. Those are all proprietary items.
+1

I wouldn't get a no-name all-in-one kit. Soft metal, imperfect joints/pivots, etc. I'd buy a few select Pedros or Park or some other bike brand kit for the bike tools. Poor quality tools ruin the stuff you're working on and frustrates the mechanic (you).

You'll need the BB tool, the cassette tool, These are Campy specific fit but you can get many different brands of tool. The cassette tool will be turned by a big wrench - the shiny Park uses a 24mm so I went and bought a 24mm wrench just for that. Their chainwhip has the same size socket on one end.

The Campy chain tool is pricey ($100 or more) but it's virtually impossible to screw up the chain. You risk losing the chain with a lessor tool. Or buy another chain and use a more reasonable chain tool (Shimano 10s chain and 10s chain tool).

Although you don't need it to build a bike, you do need a chain whip to remove the cassette.

If you're cutting the fork or setting the star nut for the headset, you should get a self-guiding star nut setter (you can't get it crooked with a self guiding one) - Pedros and Park make them. You'll need a hacksaw as well to do the actual cutting of the fork and a guide so you cut it straight. The kit you list is not set up for such a frame/fork, it is set up for a quill type frame/fork (10 years old).

You have to get a cable cutter - "wire" cutters simply mangle cables. I've used the same Shimano tool for 10 years or more. I can't vouch for Park, Pedros, etc now but I tried them 10 years ago and tossed them. The cable cutter will let you cut housing as well - derailleur housing is a real pain if you don't have razor sharp cable cutters.

For allen wrenches, buy a set at a hardware store. You get all of them for about $12, including a 10 mm.

For open end wrenches (I can't think of where you'd need it but you probably would) try either a hardware store or a car parts place with a lifetime warranty on tools (Autozone - I have a few odds and ends from there, ditto Home Depot and Ace Hardware).

Buy some nice grease for threads and such. Axle grease from a car place works or you can buy some bike shop grease. I like Shimano grease because of its color - I have no clue what makes one grease better than another so I pick the pretty grease. I just bought some Pedros red stuff and promptly found a quart (!) of Finishline in my bike stuff.

You may need cone wrenches eventually (they are very thin open ended wrenches) but not for a build. Maybe in a year or three. If you have a 2008 Centaur group, you can use a 13mm to center the rear brake (it's different than the front).

The kit you link to has a lot of old, unusable tools - headset wrenches, a cheap spoke wrench that doesn't fit anything well, a chain tool that may or may not work on Shimano chains. It's a waste of money and a waste of metal.

If you buy your tools right, you probably won't buy them again. You'll just add to your permanent collection as new tools/fittings are used.

I keep saying Shimano but I have Campy equipped bikes.

got lotsa tools,
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+1

I wouldn't get a no-name all-in-one kit. Soft metal, imperfect joints/pivots, etc. I'd buy a few select Pedros or Park or some other bike brand kit for the bike tools. Poor quality tools ruin the stuff you're working on and frustrates the mechanic (you).

You'll need the BB tool, the cassette tool, These are Campy specific fit but you can get many different brands of tool. The cassette tool will be turned by a big wrench - the shiny Park uses a 24mm so I went and bought a 24mm wrench just for that. Their chainwhip has the same size socket on one end.

The Campy chain tool is pricey ($100 or more) but it's virtually impossible to screw up the chain. You risk losing the chain with a lessor tool. Or buy another chain and use a more reasonable chain tool (Shimano 10s chain and 10s chain tool).

Although you don't need it to build a bike, you do need a chain whip to remove the cassette.

If you're cutting the fork or setting the star nut for the headset, you should get a self-guiding star nut setter (you can't get it crooked with a self guiding one) - Pedros and Park make them. You'll need a hacksaw as well to do the actual cutting of the fork and a guide so you cut it straight. The kit you list is not set up for such a frame/fork, it is set up for a quill type frame/fork (10 years old).

You have to get a cable cutter - "wire" cutters simply mangle cables. I've used the same Shimano tool for 10 years or more. I can't vouch for Park, Pedros, etc now but I tried them 10 years ago and tossed them. The cable cutter will let you cut housing as well - derailleur housing is a real pain if you don't have razor sharp cable cutters.

For allen wrenches, buy a set at a hardware store. You get all of them for about $12, including a 10 mm.

For open end wrenches (I can't think of where you'd need it but you probably would) try either a hardware store or a car parts place with a lifetime warranty on tools (Autozone - I have a few odds and ends from there, ditto Home Depot and Ace Hardware).

Buy some nice grease for threads and such. Axle grease from a car place works or you can buy some bike shop grease. I like Shimano grease because of its color - I have no clue what makes one grease better than another so I pick the pretty grease. I just bought some Pedros red stuff and promptly found a quart (!) of Finishline in my bike stuff.

You may need cone wrenches eventually (they are very thin open ended wrenches) but not for a build. Maybe in a year or three. If you have a 2008 Centaur group, you can use a 13mm to center the rear brake (it's different than the front).

The kit you link to has a lot of old, unusable tools - headset wrenches, a cheap spoke wrench that doesn't fit anything well, a chain tool that may or may not work on Shimano chains. It's a waste of money and a waste of metal.

If you buy your tools right, you probably won't buy them again. You'll just add to your permanent collection as new tools/fittings are used.

I keep saying Shimano but I have Campy equipped bikes.

got lotsa tools,
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Thanks for the advice. So to recap I'll need the following:

Campy BB and Cassette tool.
24mm wrench
Cable cutter
Allen wrenches (which I have)
Bike grease

I think I'll have my LBS cut the fork.
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Is this the BB tool or do I need something else to use it?

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http://cgi.ebay.com/Tacx-Campy-casse...QQcmdZViewItem
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Thanks for the advice. So to recap I'll need the following:

Campy BB and Cassette tool.
24mm wrench
Cable cutter
Allen wrenches (which I have)
Bike grease

I think I'll have my LBS cut the fork.

I think you can skip that 24mm wrench.
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I think you can skip that 24mm wrench.
15mm open wrench helps with the pedals as well as holding the brakes in place while tightening bolts and stretching the cables.
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i just switched my bike from 8 to 9 speed and changed cranks using that cheap bike island toolkit and had no problems. just had to buy a park external bb tool. $20.00. if you have or have access to a dremel they're great for cutting cable and housing. just use a fiber reinforced cutting wheel. in fact aztec recommends them as an alternative to cable cutters. good luck.
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I think you can skip that 24mm wrench.
+1 - 24mm wrench is just me being particular with using one of the Park cassette tools.


The tool you picture is the right tool for tightening a Campy lockring (as well as installing their higher quality square taper BBs).

roger than on the fork - I had a shop cut my last fork down (two weeks ago). I haven't bought a self guiding star nut tool yet.

good luck with the bike build, let us know how it turns out.
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