Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Bicycle Mechanics Broken bottom bracket? Tacoed wheel? If you're having problems with your bicycle, or just need help fixing a flat, drop in here for the latest on bicycle mechanics & bicycle maintenance.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 03-28-08, 04:15 AM   #1
penexpers
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Dublin, Ireland
Bikes: Surly Cross Check, Surly Big Dummy, Brompton M3L
Posts: 251
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Shimano chain pins

Does anyone know if Dura Ace chain pins work with 105 chains? I tried linking a 105 chain with a dura ace pin and it fell apart after less than 50 miles. Just trying to figure out if it's my bad mechanics causing the problem or if they won't work together.

Thanks!
penexpers is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-08, 08:19 AM   #2
TurboTurtle
NeoRetroGrouch
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Bikes:
Posts: 413
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
They do not. Every model number chain has its own pin. - TF
TurboTurtle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-08, 08:20 AM   #3
HillRider 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Bikes: '''96 Litespeed Catalyst, '05 Litespeed Firenze, '06 Litespeed Tuscany, '12 Surly Pacer, All are 3x8,9 or 10. It is hilly around here!
Posts: 28,917
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 94 Post(s)
If the pins are for the same "speed" chain, they all work the same. I.e. you must use pins made for a 9-speed chain with a 9-speed chain.

If your 105 chain fell apart after 50 miles with a "Dura Ace" pin, then either the pin wasn't installed correctly or you used the wrong pin.
HillRider is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-08, 08:25 AM   #4
JSellers
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Mississippi
Bikes: Gary Fisher Hoo Koo E Koo
Posts: 79
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Go to Sram chain with power link and problem solved with the pin. Plus you do not have to worry about the pin breaking during a ride which they do. So the pin might not have fallen out just broke.
JSellers is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-08, 08:26 AM   #5
barba
Senior Member
 
barba's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Bikes:
Posts: 4,083
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
or just buy a spare materlink and use it with your Shimano chain.
barba is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-08, 08:35 AM   #6
penexpers
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Dublin, Ireland
Bikes: Surly Cross Check, Surly Big Dummy, Brompton M3L
Posts: 251
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Hey thanks for all the replies. I was using a 10 speed chain pin with a 10 speed chain. I got a stiff link after I linked it so I pushed the pin in further. It's possible I pushed it too far.

However, I am intrigued by the Sram chain. Will the 10 speed Sram chain work with 105?
penexpers is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-08, 08:51 AM   #7
HillRider 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Bikes: '''96 Litespeed Catalyst, '05 Litespeed Firenze, '06 Litespeed Tuscany, '12 Surly Pacer, All are 3x8,9 or 10. It is hilly around here!
Posts: 28,917
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 94 Post(s)
Pushing the pin in too far can have the consequences you experienced.

SRAM 10-speed chains are fine with Shimano 10-speed drivetrains. Wippermann chains are another good choice and also have a master link to avoid the pin problems.
HillRider is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-08, 09:04 AM   #8
urbanknight
In beaurocratic limbo
 
urbanknight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Bikes: Specialized Allez, K2 Razorback
Posts: 22,456
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by penexpers View Post
Hey thanks for all the replies. I was using a 10 speed chain pin with a 10 speed chain. I got a stiff link after I linked it so I pushed the pin in further. It's possible I pushed it too far.

However, I am intrigued by the Sram chain. Will the 10 speed Sram chain work with 105?
It's common to have a stiff link after pushing the pin in. Grab both sides of the link and "try" to bend it sideways back and fourth. This will loosen it up enough.

SRAM 10s stuff will work with Shimano 10s stuff.
urbanknight is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-08, 09:05 AM   #9
penexpers
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Dublin, Ireland
Bikes: Surly Cross Check, Surly Big Dummy, Brompton M3L
Posts: 251
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Thanks for that. Now to find a Sram dealer near me.
penexpers is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-08, 09:03 AM   #10
rc32
Resident skeptic
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Here during the week...home on the weekends
Bikes: BD Bottecchia with SRAM Force, Pedal Force ZX3 with SRAM Force/Red, 1994 Cannondale Track Bike with original Suntour Superbe Pro, TT rig on the way
Posts: 332
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by TurboTurtle View Post
They do not. Every model number chain has its own pin. - TF
Wrong. As long as they are 10 speed pins they are interchangeable.If he had used a 9spd pin on a 10 spd chain or viceversa then he might have had a problem. It seems that it might have been more of an installation error than anything else...

But 10 speed Shimano chains tend to be a little bit more troublesome than 9-spd chains to install. The margin of error for pin installation is reduced compared to a 9 spd.

About a month or so ago a teammate of mine was having rear shifting issues. After about 30 miles of hilly riding we decided to stop and check his bike. His chain was being held by about 60% of one side of the connecting pin. The other side was free from the chain. It was incredible that he didn't crash considering we were hammering up the hills. In any case, the chain was only a month or so old and we figured it might have been the local ham fisted mechanic (who has a reputation for not being the best) that installed it wrong. Somebody had a Connex link and we used it to fix his chain. My friend hasn't even replaced his chain yet and has had zero problems with the Connex Link.

That's one of the reasons I just moved away from Shimano chains (after using Shimano exclusively since 1988 when they were 7-spds) to KMC (which include their Missing Link connecting link). And yes, I know KMC makes the chains for Shimano...
rc32 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-08, 07:39 PM   #11
mtnbiker4791
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Aurora,CO
Bikes:
Posts: 298
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
If it was a first gen dura-ace 10spd chain pin (7800) they are not compatible as it was a slightly shorter pin. The newer shimano 10 spd pins are compatible with all shimano 10 spd chains. 8 spd = black pin 15.5 mm long , 9 spd = silver 14.8 mm long. old 10 dura ace (7800) = silver with 1 grove around pilot, and all new 10 spd shimano = silver 13.9mm long with 2 or 3 groves around pilot pin
mtnbiker4791 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 06:09 PM.