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    Will 8 speed Shimano shifters work with non 8-speed Shimano Deraillers?

    I have some old 8 speed shifters, and a few 8 speed wheelsets. The shifters are 600 Ultegra bar ends, I think. I need to order a new derailler and I was wondering if a newer 9 speed or 10 speed Ultegra derailler would work? Anyone have any idea? I'd still like to use my old 8-speed wheelsets. thanks.
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    Assuming the deraillier can take up any chain slack, I cannot see why not? If your shifters match the spacing between the rear cogs then the deraillier movement will be governed by your shifters. You may have to radically set the H & L limiting screws... and it could be you may not have enough to play with.

    But I have to be honest, I am just taking a stab, there may be a few other members more knowledgeable than I this regard.

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    Yes, it will be fine. All Shimano rear derailers have the same ratio of cable pull to movement, except some older Dura-ace. The amount of movement per shift is dependent on the shifters, not the derailer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SweetLou View Post
    Yes, it will be fine. All Shimano rear derailers have the same ratio of cable pull to movement, except some older Dura-ace. The amount of movement per shift is dependent on the shifters, not the derailer.

    Cool! So, if I have an Ultegra 10 speed derailler... I can use it in an 8-speed system so long as I have 8-speed shifters and an 8-speed cassette? Will there be any extra clicks? And do I have to route the cable to an alternative position or anything weird?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bellweatherman View Post
    Cool! So, if I have an Ultegra 10 speed derailler... I can use it in an 8-speed system so long as I have 8-speed shifters and an 8-speed cassette? Will there be any extra clicks? And do I have to route the cable to an alternative position or anything weird?
    No. As previously posted, the shifter controls the cable, not the derailer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DieselDan View Post
    No. As previously posted, the shifter controls the cable, not the derailer.

    Why specifically are you, DieselDan, saying it won't work? As I understood it from the above info, the shifter dictates how many speeds the system has because it controls the cable. Correct me, if I am wrong on that. Perhaps DieselDan misunderstood what I am trying to do. I need to buy a new 10 speed derailler, but use it as if it is an 8-speed. My bike is an 8-speed system with 8 speed shifters and 8 speed cassette. So, I want to buy a 10 speed derailler, but I don't necessarily want a 10-speed system. In fact, I want to use the new derailler and maintain the 8 speed system that I have...

    10 speed Ultegra Rear Derailler + 8 speed Ultegra Bar End Shifters + 8 speed cassette = 8 speed system. Correct? I asked earlier if this would work to keep me at 8 speeds. SweetLou indicated that it would work. DieselDan, indicated no that it would not work. Will it work or not?
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    You misunderstood DieselDan. He is saying that you won't have extra clicks, because the shifter decides the clicks, not the derailer, you don't need to do an alternative routing, that is only with the older Dura-ace ones, that you won't have to do anything weird. As long as you aren't using the older Dura-ace shifters or derailers, you can use any Shimano rear shifter with any Shimano rear derailer and not have a problem, they work the same.

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    You're making this more difficult then needed, just hook it all up together and it will work. There will be no extra clicks or alternative cable routing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DieselDan View Post
    You're making this more difficult then needed, just hook it all up together and it will work. There will be no extra clicks or alternative cable routing.

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    Troll? Hey, Dan, thanks alot dickhead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SweetLou View Post
    You misunderstood DieselDan. He is saying that you won't have extra clicks, because the shifter decides the clicks, not the derailer, you don't need to do an alternative routing, that is only with the older Dura-ace ones, that you won't have to do anything weird. As long as you aren't using the older Dura-ace shifters or derailers, you can use any Shimano rear shifter with any Shimano rear derailer and not have a problem, they work the same.

    Thanks very much for the nice explanation. Much appreciated.
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