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Old 05-13-08, 07:54 PM   #1
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Frayed Cable End

Hi all. I have a very frayed cable end (rear derailleur). Is there any way to pull the frayed bits back together and pop a cable end thingo on it to keep it tight? Does one just twist them all together and try to get one of those thingos on the end - and then compress the thingo with a plier? Thanks.
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Old 05-13-08, 08:03 PM   #2
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If the individual wires that make up the cable aren't bent you can get away with twisting them together and then put a crimp/thingo on the end if you don't have either solder works good as an awesome alternative. If the wires are bent then buy a new one, they're like 2 bucks and simple to replace.
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I've never been able to get solder to work....what type of solder have you been successful with?
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To solder get the strands oil free and shiny by scrubbing with strong laundry detergent using a wire brush. Rinse & dry, apply liquid flux. Get soldering iron very hot, melt solder on to the cable end and rotate soldering iron around the cable long enough for the strands to get hot enough to bond with the solder. Scrub with bi-carb of soda to neutralize any remaining flux because it is corrosive.

Another way - use plumbers' silver solder, easy-flow flux, and a gas torch.

And another - use an arc welder; clamp the ground about 1/2" from the end, make sure all the strands are together, touch the end with the stick for a brief flash. All the cable between the clamp and the flash will get red hot from the current flow making that bit of cable soft and bendy and no longer as strong as the original, but there will be a neat little blob on the end holding all the strands together.

I have used all the above and they have all been a bit hit and miss. Practise on scrap cable first.

That's why those little crimp caps are so popular!
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Cheap galvanized cable seems to respond quite well to most solders in my experience. Stainless, on the other hand, will not.

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I use silver solder for my cables I also apply before cutting, apply liquid flux get it hot and it will flow on nicely, I also take a damp cloth and as soon it goes on wipe it clean while hot and it will be nice and smooth.
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Wrap it with a bit of duct tape, same general color. If it really bugs you just replace the cable. Only about $3, then crimp on the cable condom for a clean fit.
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heat shrink tubing. I usually let the tubing extend a little past the end of the cable.
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I use silver solder for my cables I also apply before cutting, apply liquid flux get it hot and it will flow on nicely, I also take a damp cloth and as soon it goes on wipe it clean while hot and it will be nice and smooth.
Yup, went thru a few solder types and found silver solder (6% silver) works on stainless cables. Seems that any kind of solder works on non-stainless steel cables. The soldered look is sweet.
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Cheap galvanized cable seems to respond quite well to most solders in my experience. Stainless, on the other hand, will not.

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If you use ACID FLUX on the stainless it'll work. That's what I use for tying and soldering spokes.

http://www.superiorflux.com/sold_soft.html
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The other reason to soldier is if you need to disassemble, the ends pass through the casings very easy with no issues and then can be installed as such.
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A little dab of epoxy works fine, too.
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A little dab of epoxy works fine, too.
Or a little dab of one its cousins, JBWeld. It's even metal-colored.
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heat shrink tubing. I usually let the tubing extend a little past the end of the cable.
+1 good alternative for a frayed cable.
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If you use ACID FLUX on the stainless it'll work. That's what I use for tying and soldering spokes.

http://www.superiorflux.com/sold_soft.html
Thanks for the tip - I'll get some of that.

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Cable condom. So that's what it's called! I like the heat shrink tubing idea, seems like the easiest way to deal with the issue and get a nice end going.
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You can just twist them together and put one of them things on but it cud be quite hard
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I put on a used spoke nipple instead of the cable condom. Our local bike co-ops' floors are littered with them.
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Thanks for the tip - I'll get some of that.

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I have been using Harris Stay Clean brand of acid flux for years now. I found it in a hobby store (trains, planes and RC cars).

Ebay has it now and then...

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stay-Clean-Liqui...2em118Q2el1247

http://www.harrisproductsgroup.com/c...les/fluxes.asp

A 4 ounce bottle will last the normal person virtually forever.
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