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Old 12-13-03, 08:24 PM   #1
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Someone Take That Mans Wrench- He's Crazy!

I just got a crazy idea. Someone was bragging to me the other day that their campy was so rebuildable, and when they wanted to go from 8 to 9 speed or 9 to 10 speed (I forgot which...I was already defensive feeling about them throttling my 105 components, and I wasn't really listening) they just had to order a small cog, and with a few hours of dissaembling and reassembling, they were able to use their old 8 or 9 speed shifters with their new 9 or 10 speed drivetrain.

now here is the crazy part. what if a third party were to make a little cog thing that allowed it to work with shimano? that way people that like the hand shape and function of the ergo shifter could use the cheaper and more available shimano components? enh? I got an idea there, eh?

ok, now you can tell me all the reasons why it can't be done. go ahead, I can take it. bring it on.
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Old 12-14-03, 03:55 PM   #2
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I wonder if this is a new record, 66 views and no replies. wild. got you guys stumped, eh?
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Old 12-14-03, 04:09 PM   #3
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I think that we're all dumbfounded by an idea that wouldn't cause us to upgrade to a new bike ever 5 years.

Actually that is probably one of the fundamental differences between Campy and Shimano. Campy caters to a certian few, where Shimano is popped out for the masses. Don't get me wrong, I consider Shimano quality to be excellent, and 105 is bullet proof without the shine of the higher price groups, but you're much more likely to see that type of support from Campy.
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Old 12-15-03, 06:52 AM   #4
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If you want to use a Campy shifter , with a Shimano rear mech and hub, you have to re-space the coogs, so that the sidways movement of the mech matches the cog spacing.
There are conmpanies, like Marchisio, who make cogsets and spacers of various thickness.
usually you match the mech and changer from one company, to the hub of another. Anything else may need some experimentation, but you just need to get the spacing right.
You used to get some locknuts for Shimano freehubs, which has a cog, to convert 8 to 9 speed.

BTW, My Campy Mirage gruppo is definately an affordable, mass market product, pretty similar to 105.
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If you like the shape of the Campy shifters then use Campy. While I'm guessing it would be possible to do I doubt your going to see anybody coming out with that part for a while. I just don't see the point, run all Campy if you like the levers, no good reason not too.

Besides, Campy is better then Shimano anyway
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Old 12-15-03, 09:20 AM   #6
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I'm a bit dumbfounded by the sheer length of your run-on sentences.
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Nobody has done it because its a ludicriss idea when someone figues out how to re-drill chevy cylinder heads to work on a ford then the same person can waste the research money to develop your idea. when they make2 of them.....one of them to replace the one that broke that you bought because you bought something you couldnt afford to fix they can file for bankrupcy and make all of out taxes go up while you ponder y your bike dont shift.

(i think i missed some periods in there)
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If you want to use a Campy shifter , with a Shimano rear mech and hub, you have to re-space the coogs, so that the sidways movement of the mech matches the cog spacing.
There are conmpanies, like Marchisio, who make cogsets and spacers of various thickness.
usually you match the mech and changer from one company, to the hub of another. Anything else may need some experimentation, but you just need to get the spacing right.
You used to get some locknuts for Shimano freehubs, which has a cog, to convert 8 to 9 speed.

BTW, My Campy Mirage gruppo is definately an affordable, mass market product, pretty similar to 105.
ok, how about this. you want to run a MTB derailleur and cassette (which campy doesn't make) and also run Chris King hubs. In addition to all of this, you want your trusty old campy shifters. what are you gonna do? the adapter cassettes won't work with chris king! you're stuck!

I know it sounds weird, but it seems to me that over the years, SOMEBODY has run into this dilemma.

ok, you skeptics. I'm gonna machine one...or die trying. when I make it, I'm going to patent it, and sell the license to an aftermarket company and make millions of dollars. You guys will be like, "man, I can't beleive I shot down that idea! what a fool I was!".
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Old 12-15-03, 06:24 PM   #9
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I'm a bit dumbfounded by the sheer length of your run-on sentences.
ok, big guy, I'm only seeing one, it is pretty big though, I'll give you that, but I'm sure it is a sign of genius.

(I made a run-on on purpose in an attempt at humor)
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I'm going to patent it, and sell the license to an aftermarket company and make millions of dollars.
So, your going to sell them for $500,000 each???? The three or four people in the world that would actually want one (THAT'S why nobody makes them) better be rich.

Companies don't make a part because someone wants it. They make a part because thousands of people want it.

Go for it. Let us know how it turns out.
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no, no, silly! I'm going to license it! case in point: the FSA carbon cranks that use the shimano octalink spline. they probably had to pay a gajillion dollars to shimano to use their patented idea.

Once my license is sold, I'm done. I'm going to retire around age 25 and ride bikes all day.
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Seriously, though, you can always go to a machine shop and have anything you want made. How huch are you willing to spend?
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lAST TIME i CHECKED, cHRIS kING HUBS WERE shimano COMPATIBLE, WHICH MEANS THAT A shimano CASSETTE RESPACED WITH A wheels mfg. KIT WILL WORK JUST FINE WITH campy SHIFTERS.

hAPPY hOLIDAYS TO THE GRAMMAR POLICE!!!

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lAST TIME i CHECKED, cHRIS kING HUBS WERE shimano COMPATIBLE, WHICH MEANS THAT A shimano CASSETTE RESPACED WITH A wheels mfg. KIT WILL WORK JUST FINE WITH campy SHIFTERS.

hAPPY hOLIDAYS TO THE GRAMMAR POLICE!!!

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a respaced shimano cassette will NOT work with a chris king hub becuase it would put the cogs too close to the spokes or something like that. lookee here. http://www.excelsports.com/new.asp?p...jor=1&minor=10
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The Wheels Mfg. kit will not work, that has been proven. I do beleive that the American Classic conversion cassette will work on a King hub however, that was what they told me when I inquired about it. I ended up just running a full Shimano drivetrain instead, even though I do prefer Campy (it's a cross bike though, had it been a road bike, it would have been Campy)

I'm sure it can be done, it just sounds like an awfully expensive solution to what is basically a non-problem. I suppose if you really want to run King hubs with a Shimano mtn rear der and have Campy ergo levers then you might want it.....but d*mn....I'd just use a Campy rear der and save the time and money. Plus you'll actually have a system that is meant to work together.

Provided unlimited time and money you can make almost any parts work together, there just really isn't much point. There are already many good systems out there that are meant to funtion together and do so to near perfection.
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That was a Wheels remanufactured cassette in your link, NOT the respacing KIT that I was talking about. The KIT uses a standard Shimano cassette, but changes the spacing between the cogs to work with Campy shifters. The respacing KIT doesnt change where the cassette sits relative to the spokes.

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I never posted a link in this thread. Your thinking of some other poster.

As for the kit, that may work, but I don't think it comes in a Campy 10s version. For 10 speed, you need the Am Classic cassette.
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Sorry!!!

It was phatman who posted the link, and your reply said that his link proved that it wouldn't work. My apologies!!! You are correct about the 10 speed availability, so the American Classic may be the only, albeit expensive, solution. I am waiting for the Santa aftermath, with the anticipated arrival of gift certificates, to finish putting together my new rear wheel ( a Spinergy Xaero-X ), which requires respacing of a Shimano 8 speed cassette to fit my Campy drivetrain, since no one makes Campy 8 compatible hubs anymore, and the spline pattern and the spacing on the 9/10 are different.

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