to make a long story short, i took my wheels apart to paint them. I have followed http://sheldonbrown.com/wheelbuild.html and some videos on youtube they pretty much all say the same thing. I know how to lace the wheel, i have done it 4 times now. The problem that im having is that when i get everything done, The spokes are way lose. (I have kept the same spokes, hub, and rim together) When I tighten the spokes the nipples bottom out and cant be lightened any more and the spokes are still very lose. I'm at a lose as to what to do, any help would be great.