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    Headset races

    Are headset races compatible? I have a Cane Creek IS-2 headset race mounted on an Ouzo Pro Integrated fork and I'm going to be using a different headset on my new bike, will this make any difference?

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    I believe not..... due to different sized ball bearings. Some headsets use needle bearings and I know for a fact that the races on those are contoured differently. But I'm sure also you'll run into many headsets from different manufacturers with identical races...

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    Thanks now for the follow on, how easy (or hard) is it to remove a headset race?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinky
    Thanks now for the follow on, how easy (or hard) is it to remove a headset race?
    Special tools are recommended. Makeshift ones can be used. Screwups can be expensive.

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    Integrated headset

    I am not an expert on integrated headsets, but here goes. You say that your fork is an integrated type. This means your new bike must have an integrated headset or it won't work at all. There is no bearing race on an integrated fork as far as I can remember.
    If your new frame has an integrated headset, I think there are 2 common standards: 1) Italian and 2) Cane Creek. I think all frames sold for integrated headsets come with the headset installed.
    Therefore, I think you can swap the fork in 5 minutes and ride it away. Or did I misunderstand the question?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil from VA
    I am not an expert on integrated headsets, but here goes. You say that your fork is an integrated type. This means your new bike must have an integrated headset or it won't work at all. There is no bearing race on an integrated fork as far as I can remember.
    If your new frame has an integrated headset, I think there are 2 common standards: 1) Italian and 2) Cane Creek. I think all frames sold for integrated headsets come with the headset installed.
    Therefore, I think you can swap the fork in 5 minutes and ride it away. Or did I misunderstand the question?
    Read it again.

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    Still confused

    No race on an integrated fork, so how can the race, which doesn't exist, not be compatible? Is this a trick question?

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    Ah....it is a trick question.... how is it that a headset race is installed on an integrated fork?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil from VA
    No race on an integrated fork, so how can the race, which doesn't exist, not be compatible? Is this a trick question?
    Integrated HS and integrated forks DO use crownraces. He says hes got a RACE mounted on his INTEGRATED fork.

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    I'm bad

    I'm just looked and I'm wrong. There is the equivalent of a race (can't be a real race because the bearings are sealed.) I guess that means that your new bike could have the Cane Creek or the Campagnolo standard. I think there are just 2 versions but, again, I'm no expert.

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    The cane creek has equal sized bearings that slip into a cup that is pressed into the head tube. The cups sit in the head tube rather than on top like a conventional HS.
    The Campy bearings are different sizes(thickness) with the larger one at the bottom and those that I have seen pressed directly into the headtube.
    You will also need to put a race on the fork steerer, so you will need to get the old one off and press the new one on. Since you have an all carbon fork I would suggest getting it done by a shop with a race puller as it is really hard to screwdriver the race off without screwing up the crown or steerer. Make sure they know what they are doing because if you get the tool set up crooked it will screw up the top of the steerer.
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    I think I'll shut up now since I've never owned nor worked on an integrated system before...

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    If the fork were truly integrated you would just have to go straight
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    Is Pinky asking if he can use his old fork on the new frame? The Barnetts manual seems to indicate that the "fork crown-base" is 30.1mm O.D. for both Campy and Cane Creek. I guess they could have different depths.

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    Looks like he is going to put his present fork on his new bike with a new headset. The big issue will be steerer length, the headtubes need to be close to the same length or the old one needs to be longer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil from VA
    I'm just looked and I'm wrong. There is the equivalent of a race (can't be a real race because the bearings are sealed.) I guess that means that your new bike could have the Cane Creek or the Campagnolo standard. I think there are just 2 versions but, again, I'm no expert.
    I think you don't know a crown race from a hole in the ground. Sealed,AKA cartridge bearings, use crown races.They are even called crown races. Barnetts does not seem to have done you much good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tommy2pants
    I think you don't know a crown race from a hole in the ground. Sealed,AKA cartridge bearings, use crown races.They are even called crown races. Barnetts does not seem to have done you much good.
    Hey Tommy,
    Chill out man. It is just a q&a thread. Afterall it is not like you reeally offered any good advice.

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