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Old 08-26-08, 05:29 PM   #1
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Has anyone heard of a rohloff ?

Hi,

I came across a bike that doesn't have derailleurs.

It's got a gear system which is like a super version of a sturmey archer 3 speed.

I'm quite tempted, but are they any good ?

Are they reliable and efficient ?

In the past I have ridden SA geared bikes and there always seemed to be a loss of power.

Any thoughts ?

Has anyone tried one ?

TIA...

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Yeah, internal hubs are pretty well known & understood by tourers and folding bike riders.

Rohloffs are arguably the best IH out there. Widest gearing range, very reliable. Still not quite as efficient as derailleurs, but not ridiculously off. Easy to clean, won't get messed up by dirt or rain, straight chain. IIRC they're a little temperamental and can be noisy for the first 1000 miles or something like that.

Oh, and they're absurdly expensive. $1200 and up for just the hub.

Probably not worth it, unless you're doing serious touring in 3rd world, or have lots of disposable income to burn.
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Hi,

I came across a bike that doesn't have derailleurs.

It's got a gear system which is like a super version of a sturmey archer 3 speed.

I'm quite tempted, but are they any good ?

Are they reliable and efficient ?

In the past I have ridden SA geared bikes and there always seemed to be a loss of power.

Any thoughts ?

Has anyone tried one ?

TIA...

Are you kidding?! Rohloff hubs are, arguably...well maybe NOT arguably the best IG hubs in the world. They sell for over $1000.00 for the hub assembly alone. Go to http://www.rohloff.de/en/products/speedhub/ When I go IG for my commuter it'll be Rohloff...in fact I'm saving up for one right now.
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Old 08-26-08, 06:56 PM   #4
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Hi,

I came across a bike that doesn't have derailleurs.

It's got a gear system which is like a super version of a sturmey archer 3 speed.

I'm quite tempted, but are they any good ?

Are they reliable and efficient ?

In the past I have ridden SA geared bikes and there always seemed to be a loss of power.

Any thoughts ?

Has anyone tried one ?

TIA...

If you want the best internal, it's rohloff. Unmatched gear range.
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Old 08-26-08, 07:09 PM   #5
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If you want the best internal, it's rohloff. Unmatched gear range.
Every gearhub has it's application. I have 2 Rohloffs, one for my utility bike, and one in my recumbent. For my commuter, however, I simply don't need the range, so my Sturmey Archer 5 speed is a perfect fit.
If ya need the range and strength though, Rohloff is the answer.
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Rohloff? Strange unknown brand made in some sweatshop.

Seriously I did a bunch of research on the hub and they are
the best as far as most opinions are concerned. If you need
that range then go for it. If you don't and just want a relatively
low maintenance hub a SRAM 3-speed does ya.
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Rohloff? Strange unknown brand made in some sweatshop.
Lol

Funniest thing i've read in a while
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Personally I think the best IG system was on the Ferrari Colnago shown at the '88 CABDA show. All the gearing was in the BB and it looked really clean with a slim rear hub. Also had hydraulic brakes with no calipers. The pistons were integrated on the inside of the fork and seat-stays. All you saw was a post sticking out with a brake-pad on it.
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Hi,

I came across a bike that doesn't have derailleurs.

It's got a gear system which is like a super version of a sturmey archer 3 speed.

I'm quite tempted, but are they any good ?

Are they reliable and efficient ?

In the past I have ridden SA geared bikes and there always seemed to be a loss of power.

Any thoughts ?

Has anyone tried one ?

TIA...

it is a dated product that could use an upgrade. i wouldn't buy until they change it a bit.

also, be careful what you put it on. it can bend dropouts from the torque it produces.

in my searches, i concluded it is almost a better product for a frame made to use it.

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it is a dated product that could use an upgrade. i wouldn't buy until they change it a bit. mx
What's wrong with it as it is ?
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it is a dated product that could use an upgrade. i wouldn't buy until they change it a bit.

also, be careful what you put it on. it can bend dropouts from the torque it produces.

in my searches, i concluded it is almost a better product for a frame made to use it.

mx
Look for an updated version soon. Increased ratio range and slightly lighter weight. They are being a bit secretive about when to expect it, but I'm willing to bet we will hear more about it after Interbike.
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What's wrong with it as it is ?
Not much.
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The Rohloff speed hub is a fine product.

It needs little or no maintenance. The internal gear remains clean under the most severe road and weather circumstances. No dust nor salt can reach it. It can shift anytime, even when standing still, which is an advantage in busy city trafic.

Its price is the main hurdle. If only the Rohloff hub were less expensive I would buy one immediately.

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If you are located in the UK, try to visit St. John Street Cycles in Bridgwater to see Rohloffs built into their Thorn Raven frames.
Alternatively you can browse Thorn bikes here.
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I'm almost done building my utility/future-touring bike with a Rohloff. Haven't ridden it yet, but it fits my needs perfectly. Since this bike is, in most ways, replacing a car, I don't see the cost of the Rohloff as an obstacle. Do some research - I'm sure you'll discover all manner of interesting facts and opinions.
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I'm almost done building my utility/future-touring bike with a Rohloff. Haven't ridden it yet, but it fits my needs perfectly.
A picture is worth a thousand words...

How do you know it will fit your needs perfectly if you haven't ridden it ?
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Rohloff? Strange unknown brand made in some sweatshop.
I also hear the sweatshop is too busy fixing broken units to produce any new ones...

Seriously though, bad news is if it breaks internally, in most cases you'd have to send it back to the factory for proper repairing. Good news is, that kind of internal failure is either extremely rare or non-existant. Their web page mentions one was sent to them after 90 000 kms for inspection, just in case. They didn't find anything wrong with it.

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I've just had a look at the bikes on SJSC site and they aren't anything like the bike I saw.

The one I saw had lots of suspension and big discs, it didn't look like an old guys bike.

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What's wrong with it as it is ?
nothing necessarily

however, "why mess with a good thing" doesn't cut it for me. i wouldn't spend 1000+ on something that old with no updates. unless they did something i am not aware of. the cabling/ shifter could be improved if nothing else.

it would be my luck to buy one now to have a fully updated one released in 2010

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Look for an updated version soon. Increased ratio range and slightly lighter weight. They are being a bit secretive about when to expect it, but I'm willing to bet we will hear more about it after Interbike.
see, good to hear. i look forward to it

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Buy the bike, convert it to derailleurs, then send the hub and shifter to me.
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This is the rohloff bike I saw....

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Perhaps I am getting old but that is a fugly bike

Why does a hub gear need a chain tensioner? I saw the same thing on the rohloff equipped bike Mark Beaumont was using on the recent tv progs.
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Why does a hub gear need a chain tensioner? I saw the same thing on the rohloff equipped bike Mark Beaumont was using on the recent tv progs.
Because it has rear suspension - the distance between the rear spindle and BB isn't constant.

Torque arm, disc caliper and the rohloff external gear box.....


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