Replacing all the spokes at once
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Replacing all the spokes at once
I'm considering purchasing a new set of hand built wheels and immediately replacing the spokes with something stronger.
I'm a novice wheel builder. I'm hoping I can just remove a spoke, carefully install and torque down the replacement and the wheel will be correct.
Will this work?
Michael
I'm a novice wheel builder. I'm hoping I can just remove a spoke, carefully install and torque down the replacement and the wheel will be correct.
Will this work?
Michael
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You'd have a long, difficult job ahead of you. If you are going through the trouble of doing that why not just build the set you want the first time? Don't bother paying the premium for hand built wheels in the first place.
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If they are handbuilt why can't you get the spokes you want the first time? No point in buying handbuilt if you are going to rebuild them.
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I'm considering purchasing a new set of hand built wheels and immediately replacing the spokes with something stronger.
I'm a novice wheel builder. I'm hoping I can just remove a spoke, carefully install and torque down the replacement and the wheel will be correct.
Will this work?
Michael
I'm a novice wheel builder. I'm hoping I can just remove a spoke, carefully install and torque down the replacement and the wheel will be correct.
Will this work?
Michael
Do a search of the forums for wheel building, find a copy of Brandt's book or look at this series of articles (particularly article 2 and 3) and plan your own wheels.
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I said handbuilt, not custom built. The wheels are already built and on closeout for a fraction of the price of buying the components and building the wheels. My alternative is to have my LBS change the spokes. This would still be cheaper than any price I can find anywhere else.
Do several posters need to reiterate the the same condescending opinion?
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Do several posters need to reiterate the the same condescending opinion?
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In all seriousness, why are the original spokes not strong enough? For myself I generally prefer DT Swiss butted spokes, but wouldn't be nervous riding the same build with slightly lighter or straight gauge spokes.
Assuming you need heavier duty wheels (for whatever reason) - spoke count, lacing pattern and rim strength should be strongly considered.
For example: 20 count carbon fiber spoked wheels won't suddenly become appropriate for heavy touring just because you replaced with premium triple butted round steel spokes.
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Definitely. When someone asks a question which indicates that they're done no research or have any idea of how a wheel works then it's jump on the newbie time. The odds of a handbuilt wheel being custom made for you are far higher than one being available at a reduced price so it was a reasonable assumption for people to make. Why not just buy the wheels and replace the spokes if they break? Are you a particularly heavy rider?
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I guess I'll just have to put up with idiot name-calling over here! Or I can work with the best mechanics in the industry at my LBS and avoid the rif raf.
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Yup! Your choice. Go the place that's appropriate for your skin thickness.
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Spokes aren't cheap, however. Expect to pay $.50 to $1.00 for each if you want something worth using if the are conventional spokes. If the spokes are something funky, expect to pay much more.
However, if they are low spoke wheels don't expect them to be much stronger with different spokes like smurf hunter said.
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Agreed, the rims are 32 hole Mavic Open Pro's on Shimano 105 hubs. For some reason they were laced with Wheelsmith Double-Butted 2.0/1.7mm (14/16 gauge) stainless spokes and the seller states a 160 # rider weight limit. The rims with any good spoke set should handle my size without any issues.
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Those are very good rims and good upper-tier hubs. They are fine for what you plan. I wouldn't sign up for the Tour de France, but you'll get to work and weekend-rides just fine. The "mechanic" who told you that should not be allowed near the public-end of the store. Maybe a career as a cartoonist would be more fitting.
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Those seem like decently strong wheels which don't need anything doing to them. Why increase the cost without a proven reason.
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There is one thing I forgot - aside from 20 years of my life, but that was on purpose - and that is to make sure these wheels have the proper tension in the spokes. I've seen "professionally-built custom wheels!" - show up with the spokes so loose they rattled. No kidding. So do get that looked into. If you don't want to see that diplomatic-mechanic again - I wouldn't - just get a reading done anywhere they build wheels, and bring the numbers back here. We'll be glad to tell you if they are in specs.
A Park Tool Tension Meter (TM-1) is a wonderful tool to place in a collection. Beats the Wheelsmith one hands down, and costs 1/2 - 1/3 the price.
A Park Tool Tension Meter (TM-1) is a wonderful tool to place in a collection. Beats the Wheelsmith one hands down, and costs 1/2 - 1/3 the price.
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Agreed, the rims are 32 hole Mavic Open Pro's on Shimano 105 hubs. For some reason they were laced with Wheelsmith Double-Butted 2.0/1.7mm (14/16 gauge) stainless spokes and the seller states a 160 # rider weight limit. The rims with any good spoke set should handle my size without any issues.
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+1 on those wheels being plenty strong for a clyde.
32x open pro with shimano hubs and quality spokes is a tried and true, safe way to roll for most any scenario.
32x open pro with shimano hubs and quality spokes is a tried and true, safe way to roll for most any scenario.
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To answer your original question, it might work to replace the spokes one by one, but chances are the tension will be off and you will end up with a weaker wheel regardless of how tough the new spokes are. You or your LBS is going to have to start from scratch to get a good result.
Also, one more vote for those wheels being tough as nails already. My rear touring wheel is exactly what you're about to buy, and many people use a similar setup for cyclocross.
Also, one more vote for those wheels being tough as nails already. My rear touring wheel is exactly what you're about to buy, and many people use a similar setup for cyclocross.
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No test!
I went ahead and puchased the wheels. How did I do?
https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=370107964349
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I went ahead and puchased the wheels. How did I do?
https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=370107964349
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No test!
I went ahead and puchased the wheels. How did I do?
https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=370107964349
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I went ahead and puchased the wheels. How did I do?
https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=370107964349
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https://store.bicyclewheels.com/merch...egory_Code=RWN
https://www.performancebike.com/shop/...TOKEN=97733191
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True, but not that bad.
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As was already stated, it would probably make sense to take then up to the LBS and have the tension double checked before you start riding them.