Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Bicycle Mechanics
Reload this Page >

what a difference new cable housing makes

Search
Notices
Bicycle Mechanics Broken bottom bracket? Tacoed wheel? If you're having problems with your bicycle, or just need help fixing a flat, drop in here for the latest on bicycle mechanics & bicycle maintenance.

what a difference new cable housing makes

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 01-29-09, 01:29 PM
  #1  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
TallRider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Fresno, CA
Posts: 4,454
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 128 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 12 Times in 10 Posts
what a difference new cable housing makes

I'd never thought too much about cable housing - just make sure that I have shifter-cable housing when running indexed shifters.
But I'd noticed that the shifter on my flat-bar commuter bike isn't working great. (7-speed rapidfire unit for rear derailer, no front derailer as I'm running a single chainring) I usually would have to over-shift (push the rapidfire lever beyond the indexed click) to shift into a larger cog. And I would have to push somewhat hard, to the point that after longer commuting rides, my right thumb was sometimes sore at the fleshy point that pushes into the rapidfire lever.

I thought the cases were:
a) old chain that may be more side-to-side flexible and thus shifts less crisply - chain isn't "stretched" too far though
b) rapidfire mechanism gummed up over time on a bike that lives outside, albeit under a shelter when it rains
c) shifter cable was noticeably less smooth exterior than some shifter cables

I asked a bike shop about buying new shifter cables, and the conversation with the mechanic convinced me to try new cable housing first. According to the mechanic (and this is totally plausible, I'd just never considered it) old housing gets gunk built up in it that impedes the movement of a cable. Cables get gunked up too but it's easy enough to clean them off with a solvent-dipped rag.

So I installed a new shifter cable housing, just between the chainstay and rear derailer. Shifted fine on the bike stand.

And when I biked to work this morning, when I first made a shift, I accidentally punched through three cogs! The cable friction was so much lower, and apparently the strong pressure that had been required to depress the shifter (only for shifts from smaller to larger cogs), was entirely a result of friction within that section of cable housing.

For the record, the original cable housing between chainstay and rear derailer was also too short, and my replacement is about an inch longer so the curve is less sharp.
__________________
"c" is not a unit that measures tire width
TallRider is offline  
Old 01-29-09, 01:50 PM
  #2  
Senior Member
 
bikeman715's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Salinas , Ca.
Posts: 2,646

Bikes: Bike Nashbar AL-1 ,Raligh M50 , Schwinn Traveler , and others

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 85 Post(s)
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
yes new housing is a wonderful thing. I replace my every year or more often when needed due to the weather here.
bikeman715 is offline  
Old 01-29-09, 02:24 PM
  #3  
Great State of Varmint
 
Panthers007's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Dante's Third Ring
Posts: 7,476
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 15 Times in 15 Posts
Folks should always oil the cables and drip oil inside the housing, too. Don't use grease - it can gum-up the works.

New cable-housing can/does change the whole look of a bicycle. Choose your colors with this in mind.
Panthers007 is offline  
Old 01-29-09, 02:32 PM
  #4  
I have senior moments...
 
bikinfool's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Woodside, CA
Posts: 2,151

Bikes: Many

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Yes, it can be amazing what a little fresh housing can do. On several of my mountain bikes I use a full run of housing, which keeps the crud out much longer, too.
bikinfool is offline  
Old 01-29-09, 03:00 PM
  #5  
Senior Member
 
Cannondaler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Atlantic Beach, FL
Posts: 205

Bikes: Cannondale F600sl, Windsor Falkirk Carbon

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I've always said that a new cable deserves new housing. I always change the cable and housing at the same time as a rule, especially with the derailleur cables.. Not always necessary but it doesn't cost much more to do them both.
Cannondaler is offline  
Old 01-29-09, 03:10 PM
  #6  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Cambridge, UK
Posts: 1,051

Bikes: Specialized Allez (2007)

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Panthers007
Folks should always oil the cables and drip oil inside the housing, too.
I'd been advised not to do this, since it attracts dust, and eventually gums it all up much worse. My understanding was that this used to be necessary with old style housings, since the cable was rubbing against the coil of the housing. However, newer housings have a plasticy liner, so metal-metal friction is eliminated. So there is no need to lubricate and a longer life expectancy for cable and housing.
Basil Moss is offline  
Old 01-29-09, 03:12 PM
  #7  
Certified Train Wreck
 
mloywhite's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Montgomery, Alabama
Posts: 677

Bikes: '07 Orbea Orca "06 Bianchi Castro Valley

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
I just changed my housings and cables Monday, on my 2 year old Orbea. I could not believe the difference it made in how much pressure is needed to shift gears on the rear. I used a Jagwire Racer complete set, it came with everything, for about $30.
__________________
www.websterhenry.com
mloywhite is offline  
Old 01-29-09, 03:24 PM
  #8  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 9,438

Bikes: Trek 5500, Colnago C-50

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 7 Times in 6 Posts
Both Shimano and Campagnolo recommend lubricating all cables, but don't specify type of lube. I use automotive silicone door lock grease.
Sometimes lubricating the cable where it runs through the short housing just before the rear derailleur can make a significant improvement in shifting performance. Detaching the cable and sliding the housing forward will expose the cable for lubrication. Don't do this if you're not willing to adjust the cable.

Al

Last edited by Al1943; 01-29-09 at 03:27 PM.
Al1943 is offline  
Old 01-29-09, 06:56 PM
  #9  
Great State of Varmint
 
Panthers007's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Dante's Third Ring
Posts: 7,476
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 15 Times in 15 Posts
I like Tri-Flow Teflon liquid. It lasts a good, long time, and it penetrates the cable. I've never had a problem with it attracting dirt inside the housing.
Panthers007 is offline  
Old 01-29-09, 07:23 PM
  #10  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
TallRider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Fresno, CA
Posts: 4,454
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 128 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 12 Times in 10 Posts
the mechanic I'd talked to specifically mentioned tri-flow, because of its status as a "dry" lubricant.
__________________
"c" is not a unit that measures tire width
TallRider is offline  
Old 01-29-09, 07:39 PM
  #11  
Senior Member
 
Cannondaler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Atlantic Beach, FL
Posts: 205

Bikes: Cannondale F600sl, Windsor Falkirk Carbon

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Shimano cable sets come pre-lubed, the housings have a light lithium or teflon grease in them. I usually don't lube new cables but I will lube them after they have been on the bike a while especially if I have ridden in the rain. I use Tri-Flo or Prolink Gold. Teflon coated cable sets or Gore-tex sets should not be lubed, the lube can cause the teflon to degrade and gum up inside the housing. Shimano housings have a teflon liner but it is thicker than the teflon coatings that some cables have so it is ok to lube Shimano sets.
Cannondaler is offline  
Old 01-29-09, 07:54 PM
  #12  
Great State of Varmint
 
Panthers007's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Dante's Third Ring
Posts: 7,476
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 15 Times in 15 Posts
It's not the Teflon that degrades. Teflon is, for all intents and purposes, chemically inert. That's why we use it in organic chemistry labs for applications where it will be exposed to amazingly corrosive materials.
Panthers007 is offline  
Old 01-30-09, 01:03 PM
  #13  
I have senior moments...
 
bikinfool's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Woodside, CA
Posts: 2,151

Bikes: Many

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
The whether to lube the cables or not argument somewhat reminds me of the old arguments as to whether to grease a square taper spindle or not. I've heard it both ways from good mechanics, and have success with clean dry cables as well as lubed (tri-flow if I do) cables; have had success using stainless or teflon coated ones, too.
bikinfool is offline  
Old 01-30-09, 07:43 PM
  #14  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: København
Posts: 465

Bikes: Kinesisbikes UK Racelight Tk

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Originally Posted by Al1943
Both Shimano and Campagnolo recommend lubricating all cables, but don't specify type of lube. I use automotive silicone door lock grease.
Al
Shimano uses silicone grease in their Teflon lined, standard SP-41 dérailleur housing. Silicone grease displaces water and works well below freezing and apparently doesn't gum up so easy.

--
Regards
interested is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.