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Old 02-09-09, 02:19 PM   #1
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Chain & Casette Life Question

Do 8 speed and fewer gear freewheels or casettes and chains have longer life than the current 9, 10 and presumably new 11 speed chains and casettes?

I have seen mention by one member of actually bending casette cogs but I do not recall that he specified the gear train number of speeds. I believe that each increase in number of speeds above 8 has involved narrower cogs and chains. I would think this would increase pressure on cog teeth in the chain contact area, increasing wear. It would also weaken the cog as far as side loads seemingly.

Is the new Campy 11 speed just a marketing move? Frank Berto in his new edition of "The Dancing Chain" expressed the opinion that anything over 7 to 8 speed freehubs just gives more duplicate speeds and makes adjustment more critical. He also expressed the opinion that it reduced component life.

I note that seemingly MTB gear trains have topped out at 9 speed casettes.
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Old 02-09-09, 03:24 PM   #2
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Cogs & chains do get thinner as the number of speeds increase.
http://sheldonbrown.com/k7.html#spacing

Better quality material can counteract some of that.

10 speed cassettes aren't as commonly available in >27T cogs, thus the reason for sticking to 9. There's also a point that shifting etc. gets "more finicky", adjustment wise, so for "real" mountain type riding, you'd probably be knocking things "out of whack" more frequently.

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mountain bikes need more space in the cassette for mud/grass/crap. This makes 9 speed about the most you can get. Road stuff is getting to 11 speed, with closer spacing. Your sure fire way to ensure long cassette life is to repalce the chain regularly, and keep everything clean. Remember: Chain and cassette wear at the same time, if you let it go too long, you will need to change both!!
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that is why i am sticking to 7 speed stuffs. One cassette can last three sets of chains if one change them afore they get too worn. sadly the 7-speed stuffs are on their way out...
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that is why i am sticking to 7 speed stuffs. One cassette can last three sets of chains if one change them afore they get too worn. sadly the 7-speed stuffs are on their way out...
That .05MM of extra cog thickness must be worth 1,000's of miles over 8 speed!
After all, that's .002"! Almost .003" over 9 speed.
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Anyone who states that more than 7-8 cogs merely produces more duplicate gears is wrong. You can produce a cassette with the same range of 12-27 (for example) and have anywhere from 5 to 11 cogs. The difference would be the jumps between cogs. The latest 11 speed 12-27 cassette has the following cogs: 12-13-14-15-16-17-19-21-23-25-27. A Shimano 10 12-27 cassette is similar, but the after the 19, it goes 21-24-27. To get the same range, there are two 3-tooth jumps between the largest cogs. The same cassette in a 9 speed version loses the 16T cog.

As for cog life, Shimano reduced their cog thickness by 10% to 1.6mm when they produced their first 10 speed drivetrains (four years after Campy). Campy made almost no change to their cog thickness with 10 speed.

The new 11 speed cogs have the same 1.6mm thickness as Shimano 10. The width of the 11 speed chain roller was only reduced about 2%, so there shouldn't be a significant reduction in chan life. Most of the width reduction was accomplished by reducing the side plate thickness and using stronger material with no weight reducing holes punched into the outer plates.

Of course if the cog thickness is reduced by 10%, there will be a corresponding reduction in cog life. That makes it more important to learn how to manange chains and cassettes for optimum cog life. You'll get greater cog life by alternating the use of 2-3 chains rather than using only one until it's worn and then installing a new one. Chain skip if far more likely when a new chain is installed on worn cogs. If you alternate the use of several chains, you'll never install a new chain on overly worn cogs and you won't get chain skip from the new chain mismatch.

Another common mistake is relying on a Park chain checker or similar tool to measure wear, rather than acutally taking accurate measurements of elongation with a scale and roller wear with calipers. The Park tool always exaggerates it's wear measurements by combining elongation and roller wear into one meaningless reading.
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