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Old 02-09-09, 08:33 PM   #1
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Tubular cement, what else can be used?

I have a small tube of Hutchinson tubular cement so I probably don't need anything else, but what other type of non-cycling specific cement can be used? Is it contact cement? In the old days we used to use FasTac from the auto supply stores, a trim cement. I would guess it would have to be able to hold well both to the tape and the rim, but also be removable with a certain amount of force so you could easily swap tires out on the road if necessary, and also maintain some tackiness so that the replacement would at least stay in place. I used Clement cement one time and it made such a mess I never used it again.

I used contact cement on some veneer one time and I swore I'd never use that again either, but I didn't really know what I was doing. My next veneer job I used wood glue and that worked much better. No sign of the veneer coming off or forming bubbles or anything.
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Why do you want to use something else? Mixing is a bad idea...
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It a SMALL tube of cement that I have. Experience tells me I'll be needing this more than once.
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I've seen some weird things happen when adhesives were mixed...
You're in Brooklyn, should be easy to get more, no?
I've used the Fas-tac and all of the bike glues, and other stuff might work fine but the point is do you wanna risk it?
Glue is pretty cheap as it is.
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I have a small tube of Hutchinson tubular cement so I probably don't need anything else, but what other type of non-cycling specific cement can be used? Is it contact cement? In the old days we used to use FasTac from the auto supply stores, a trim cement. I would guess it would have to be able to hold well both to the tape and the rim, but also be removable with a certain amount of force so you could easily swap tires out on the road if necessary, and also maintain some tackiness so that the replacement would at least stay in place. I used Clement cement one time and it made such a mess I never used it again.
I use the Tufo rim tape. Much more pleasant than any of the glues I've used over the years. Works great, too.
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Fastak works great, but isn't something that works for spare tyres. It doesn't re-soften. And DO NOT use it on tyres or rims that have any traces of traditional glues. They do not stick to each other well and when you roll your tyre, you'll find a perfectly even layer of glue on the tube AND on the rim.
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The previous posters were right, you should use glue intended for use with tubular tires. With a little practice you should be able to mount your tires without making too much mess. They'll mount more easily if you stretch them first. I usually step on the inside of a deftlated tubular and pull the opposite side upward with both hands. Before applying the glue to the rims, I make sure they are absolutely clean. Acetone works best for removing old glue with a minimum of effort.

The tube of glue you have is probably made to be used to install one tire. You should always have 2 or 3 tubes of glue on hand. Most bike shops should carry it, or they can order it for you if need be.
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The previous posters were right, you should use glue intended for use with tubular tires. With a little practice you should be able to mount your tires without making too much mess. They'll mount more easily if you stretch them first. I usually step on the inside of a deftlated tubular and pull the opposite side upward with both hands. Before applying the glue to the rims, I make sure they are absolutely clean. Acetone works best for removing old glue with a minimum of effort.

The tube of glue you have is probably made to be used to install one tire. You should always have 2 or 3 tubes of glue on hand. Most bike shops should carry it, or they can order it for you if need be.
A brass wire wheel works a treat for removing old glue. Less than a minute to do a rim -- no solvents or scrubbing needed.

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Here's what I use, although a wire wheel on a Dremel would also work:

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I rode tubulars for recreational riding for years. I don't think I will ever again. What's the point?
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Tubies are for racing. Driving a Formulae-1 car at 50mph to the grocery store won't allow you to distinguish why it's different from an SUV.
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Some of us cheapskates have bikes with tubulars and prefer to deal with and enjoy what we have rather than go changing to clinchers for no compelling reason.
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"have bikes with tubulars and prefer to deal with and enjoy what we have rather than go changing to clinchers . . . " QUOTE.


What are "clincher tires"?
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Seeing the ads that pop up on this page make me glad I turned off ads.doubleclick.net on my home computer. I see woodworking ads and ads for flights to India. Woodworking because in the text of my message I mentioned veneer, flights to India because I went there a few months ago.

That's scary. Go to your hosts file and block doubleclick.net! Don't let them track your movements. Your surfing will be faster too.
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Seeing the ads that pop up on this page make me glad I turned off ads.doubleclick.net on my home computer. I see woodworking ads and ads for flights to India. Woodworking because in the text of my message I mentioned veneer, flights to India because I went there a few months ago.

That's scary. Go to your hosts file and block doubleclick.net! Don't let them track your movements. Your surfing will be faster too.
There are ads on this page?

I don't see any except the "support our sponsors" text block (using Firefox with AdBlock and NoScript).
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I usually step on the inside of a deftlated tubular and pull the opposite side upward with both hands.
Another method is to mount the tire without glue, inflate, leave for a couple days, then remove and glue up.

fwiw, I've never worried about getting every bit of old glue off the rim, and I've never rolled a tire. Then again, I'm a rec. rider so I'm not cornering hard in a pack or anything. The wire wheel idea seems pretty good - I'd avoid any solvents that will remove tire glue unless you have a rated respirator.
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I rode tubulars for recreational riding for years. I don't think I will ever again. What's the point?
I have a classic bike. Always has had tubulars, always will.
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Same here with the classic bike. That's the only reason I'm even attempting this again. They were a lot more trouble than they'd be worth now. The current clinchers ride much better than the old ones we rode back in the '80s. The alternative back then was tubulars.
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