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Old 02-12-09, 11:39 AM   #1
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Campagnolo Tool Kit

What's the value of a Campagnolo tool kit for older (NR-SR) bikes these days?

Anybody know?

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What's the value of a Campagnolo tool kit for older (NR-SR) bikes these days?

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An Italian thread, reduced kit just sold on eBay for US $1,795.00. I've seen full kits go for $2k-$3k depending on condition.

Most people who have these seem to be holding onto them. Are you thinking of selling one?
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If you're talking about the 3380, about a year ago, I saw one that was complete and hardly used sell locally (San Francisco) for $4,000.

I've no idea if this was what they ordinarily sell for or if it was an anomoly.

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An Italian thread, reduced kit just sold on eBay for US $1,795.00. I've seen full kits go for $2k-$3k depending on condition.

Most people who have these seem to be holding onto them. Are you thinking of selling one?

Actually the way the economy was going, I was thinking of buying one. Beats a 401k these days and more fun!
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Those belong in a cycling museum, not in a bike shop though. Campy makes beautiful tools, which cost 10X too much. I have ONE Campy tool: A wrench for removing dust-caps on older Record pedals.
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Those belong in a cycling museum, not in a bike shop though. Campy makes beautiful tools, which cost 10X too much. I have ONE Campy tool: A wrench for removing dust-caps on older Record pedals.
I still use mine regularly. But then again, all my bikes would fall under the "classic & vintage" rubric.
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Those belong in a cycling museum, not in a bike shop though. Campy makes beautiful tools, which cost 10X too much. I have ONE Campy tool: A wrench for removing dust-caps on older Record pedals.
+1 on the 10X too costly. Campy also designs components to use tools NO ONE else makes and then obsoletes them with the next design change.

I have a pair of Campy double end cone wrenches that I bought from a the close-out table at an LBS several years ago. Nice but certainly not worth their former new cost.

BTW, I remember the Campy Full Tool Set, either English or Italian, selling new for about $3500 several years ago so it doesn't sound like they've appreciated much if at all.
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+1 on the 10X too costly. Campy also designs components to use tools NO ONE else makes and then obsoletes them with the next design change.

I have a pair of Campy double end cone wrenches that I bought from a the close-out table at an LBS several years ago. Nice but certainly not worth their former new cost.

BTW, I remember the Campy Full Tool Set, either English or Italian, selling new for about $3500 several years ago so it doesn't sound like they've appreciated much if at all.
FWIW, I bought mine new in 1984 for $1200.

And I don't understand your comment that "Campy also designs components to use tools NO ONE else makes and then obsoletes them with the next design change". The tools in the Campy kit were industry standard and did not change significantly for over 2 decades -- so much so that virtually every other company, including Shimano, SunTour, and all the 2nd tier Italian companies copied Campy's designs and tools for their own components.

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My reference to the excessive cost and unique design of Campy tools wasn't limited to their older tool sets but to many of their more recent items. Sure, the older tools became industry standards but that wasn't my point.

How about Campy's specific, and very expensive, chain tools that they claim were essential and then replaced with another "essential", but different, chain tool a few months later?

How about the 3.5 mm allen key needed for one of their components? Find one of those at Home Depot.

How about the left-hand threaded crank arm extractor that only fit one side of the crank and was used only for one model?
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This is called 'proprietary design' - where a company makes something that can only be worked on with tools the same company manufactures. Shimano was screaming, bloody, guilty of this in the early 1980's. They were booed (and pelted with objects) at a trade-show in Los Angeles in '82-3 as bike-mechanics/shops had to shell out around $400/year for tools to work on Shimano's latest gruppo.

This behavior, though limited, continues unabated today. Point in case: The new Ultegra Hollowtech II cranks require a Shimano wrench to tighten the cap on the left side crank-arm. Campagnolo does similar. Take my Campy dust-cap wrench for Record pedals in the 1980's as an example.
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My reference to the excessive cost and unique design of Campy tools wasn't limited to their older tool sets but to many of their more recent items. Sure, the older tools became industry standards but that wasn't my point.
Ok, but why bring that up when the original question was explicitly referring to the vintage tool kits?
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It just boils up and flows through the fingers?
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My reference to the excessive cost and unique design of Campy tools wasn't limited to their older tool sets but to many of their more recent items. Sure, the older tools became industry standards but that wasn't my point.

How about Campy's specific, and very expensive, chain tools that they claim were essential and then replaced with another "essential", but different, chain tool a few months later?

How about the 3.5 mm allen key needed for one of their components? Find one of those at Home Depot.

How about the left-hand threaded crank arm extractor that only fit one side of the crank and was used only for one model?
Yeah, I remember that 3.5 mm allen key. It was used for the Delta brakes on the Tesch 101 I once had. Unfortunately it didn't come in the brake kit so it had to go to a local specialty shop and I had to pay some mechanic to adjust my brakes. Wasn't happy about that. Sort of why I'm looking for a kit...

Original question was for the older kit, for the older simpler design, made for simpler times, and simpler people, like me....
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Ok, but why bring that up when the original question was explicitly referring to the vintage tool kits?
I was supporting the comment that Campy tools, in general, not just vintage, are much more expensive than any others for no perceived advantage.

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Yeah, I remember that 3.5 mm allen key. It was used for the Delta brakes on the Tesch 101 I once had. Unfortunately it didn't come in the brake kit so it had to go to a local specialty shop and I had to pay some mechanic to adjust my brakes. Wasn't happy about that. Sort of why I'm looking for a kit...

Original question was for the older kit, for the older simpler design, made for simpler times, and simpler people, like me....
Good enough, but that 3.5mm Allen wrench is not part of the stock Campy tool kit.
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I was supporting the comment that Campy tools, in general, not just vintage, are much more expensive than any others for no perceived advantage.
The frame prep tools (i.e. taps, facers, etc.) were top quality and often the reason for buying the Campy tool kit in the first place. The other tools were just icing on the cake.
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The frame prep tools (i.e. taps, facers, etc.) were top quality and often the reason for buying the Campy tool kit in the first place. The other tools were just icing on the cake.
No argument there. Campy tools are very high quality and always have been. The question is do they justify the extremely high cost compared with tools having the same utilitarian value (Var, Park, etc.) at much lower prices. Does the extra "quality" pay any dividends to justify the price?
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No one forced me to buy SNAP-ON, MILWAUKEE, RIDGID, LINCOLN, OR even OXWELD;

buying "The Best', means that you never have to deal with it again.


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A salesman could make a killing around these parts...
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I have their best tool ever. Highest quality, like all of what they make. It will last for my lifetime and more. I open wine bottles with it all the time.
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No one forced me to buy SNAP-ON, MILWAUKEE, RIDGID, LINCOLN, OR even OXWELD;

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Well said! Buy once, buy the best!
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I sounds like he already has.
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