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    Pics please!

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    ok. Today Shimano USA called me in response to a letter I wrote requesting 'good will replacements'. They basically said since i was not the original owner I was SOL. The guy was pleasant, and we chatted a bit; he explained that STI shifters are assembly by machines, not intended to ever be taken apart. I told him that all this greif could be avoided if they design in 'extraction holes' for this repair... we'll see if they do or not.

    In the meantime, all seems to be well with my repair. I suspect there may be a few chips of metal floating around in there from drilling, which I hope won't cause problems, but all is well for now. I am attempting to attach some pix.....
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    holy exploded cables batman...

    good job with that.
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    yeah.... I figured I didn't have much to lose... I hope this helps out some other people. I did just write Shimano and am submitting the idea to be built into future models of shifters, and circulation to repair shops. Shall we make bets as to whether they do it? or pay me a small royalty?!

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    Just think of all the grams it would save too.
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    I've had this happen. I fought hard before giving up and taking it into the LBS. They looked at it for about 5 seconds before telling me to warranty it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Booger View Post
    ...warranty it.
    only works if you are the original owner and have paperwork.....

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    I had this on my Ultegras. My LBS and I fished with a dental tool for ages and finely got it all out.
    I am now replacing cables every year, no matter what.

    Is this a design flaw, or are we all crimping and weakening our cables when we install them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cccorlew View Post
    I had this on my Ultegras. My LBS and I fished with a dental tool for ages and finely got it all out.
    I am now replacing cables every year, no matter what.

    Is this a design flaw, or are we all crimping and weakening our cables when we install them?
    I think there is a sharp bend in there, but more seriously a design flaw in not designing in an extraction port on the 'low gear' position where you can actually force the shifter to. Hence my 10 minute fix to drill a port...

    But yes, I too will replace cables annually, or at the very least inspect in there before big rides...

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    Condor admitted that my shifter was defective. They replaced it with a new one under warranty. This suggests that earlier shifters may have a defect. Before this, when I was trying to extract the broken end, it appeared to me that, as the shifter pulled the cable to the lowest (slowest) gear position, the shifter squeezed the cable so tight that it began the process of slow wear, ending in my 3-monthly breaking.

    It remains to be seen how the replacement shifter fares, but I'll be trying to check the cable condition about every 3 months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by condoruser View Post
    They replaced it with a new one under warranty. This suggests that earlier shifters may have a defect.
    hhhmmmm, but not much help since I bought bike used, no warranty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dtbaker61 View Post
    so... it IS possible to recover a stuck cable end from a worst case break! yippee..... question is why Shimano hasn't pre-drilled an access hole for this issue?!
    +1
    This is a keeper!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dtbaker61 View Post
    question is why Shimano hasn't pre-drilled an access hole for this issue?!
    I've only broke one cable about 14 years ago while on a ride. 8sp. Since then with 9sp and 10sp I've caught them before breaking but showing signs of fraying by doing the inspection whenever I have the bike on the stand for cleaning. I also learned to recognise the erratic shifting of a Dura-Ace shifter cable on it's last legs and got to them before they break.
    I don't think this is enough an issue for most people for Shimano to make a hole and would the hole you drilled work for EVERY possible place a stuck cable end could fall?

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    broken shifter cable fix - AWESOME solution !

    I want to say THANK YOU !!
    Your method of drilling a hole - especially being able to see pictures, worked a treat!
    My hole started 1cm (3/8?) from cable slot end , and then got a safety pin - made a small hook on end so i could pull the cable end out of the hole (a bit fiddly). My hole size was 6mm (1/4) which was big enough to get in and reach.
    Otherwise it would have been down to the bike shop for $100 minimum, if not more... Good luck to anyone else who tries!

    THANK YOU...

    ps: my shifters are shimano ST-5400 (Tiagra)

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    Quote Originally Posted by dtbaker61 View Post
    yeah.... I figured I didn't have much to lose... I hope this helps out some other people. I did just write Shimano and am submitting the idea to be built into future models of shifters, and circulation to repair shops.
    What did Shimano write in reply?

    P.S. Thanks for suggesting this idea to us. I tried your idea of drilling to remove a broken cable head from an ancient Altus A10 rear shifter this February. It gave me more months of life out of the shifter before it broke for good. (I think it broke because of old age, not because of the 1/16" hole I drilled.)

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    Great solution. Saved me big $$$$$

    THANK YOU! This is a perfect solution. Yesterday, 50 miles from home, my rear shifter cable snapped at the head. It was a tough ride home. Today I bought all the necessary replacement parts thinking it was going to be an easy repair. WRONG!! After removing the old cable I realized that the frayed stop inside my shifter wouldn't budge (and many expletives at the mechanical engineers at Shimano) I don't even know how they replace this cable under good circumstances! The drill hole idea worked perfectly. I used a 5/16 drill bit and needle nose pliers to pull the sucker out.
    Here's a link to a couple of pics: http://gallery.me.com/donlutkus#1001...lack&view=grid

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    Thanks for this post. Today about 70 miles into a century my rear derailleur cable snapped off at the head. Wound up using the info in the first post to get out it saving me a $200-300 shifter replacement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cccorlew View Post
    I had this on my Ultegras. My LBS and I fished with a dental tool for ages and finely got it all out.
    I am now replacing cables every year, no matter what.

    Is this a design flaw, or are we all crimping and weakening our cables when we install them?
    I don't know for sure, but I've seen it happen a lot with Shimano shifters. Ask Dan..... The cable is routed across a very tight radius, and it frays pretty badly over time. If I were running Shimano gear, I'd replace my cables on a regular basis.

    I have Campagnolo on all my bikes and have never suffered from this issue. I have fished out a few for friends, though - requires patience, perseverance, dental tools, and a little luck.
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    I've never seen this look like happening on any of my STIs... never had a cable fray at the head.

    And I wouldn't go drilling holes... I'd muster up the gumption to disassemble. May as well overhaul em while you're at it...

    It's a tedious, painstaking task, but it really doesn't require a lot more than the necessary tinkering experience and vigilant caution.

    Work on a white sheet on the floor, in order not to lose any of the many tiny parts... figuring out reassembly is intimidating, but a bit of mechanical genius and a lot of perseverance should get you through. Paying as much attention as possible and taking pics as you disassemble will help here, too.

    It can be done.

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    I had this same problem. Cable end broke off and cable was frayed so that the barrel would not rotate back to where I could grab and remove the end. As one last attempt before getting out the drill, I used a small hex wrench and poked it down the hole to try to push the frayed cable strands down. It took several attempts, but finally the barrel came loose and rotated back up to where I could grab the end and remove it.

    This was the second time that shifter cable had broken. I think I will be replacing the cable on a regular, preventive mtce. basis from now on.

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    I just realised a possible reason why this has never happened to me; I rarely find myself on the small side of the cassette.

    The cable would get fatigued by shifting between the highest two or three gears, I guess.

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    dtbaker61 - followed this step by step and recovered the frayed cable end. many thanks for very innovative solution!

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    Remove the lever from the bar it will be much easer to remove it.

    But good job removing it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dtbaker61 View Post
    I decided to try drilling an 'extraction hole' in the shifter body
    Thanks for this post! Worked well and saved me a LOT of hassle and $.

    My shifters are shimano ST-5400 (Tiagra). Cable was about 2-3 years old.

    BTW: To all the people who reckon you can get these things out with any of: small instruments; careful pulling; or dismantleing I can say that I am very sure that those methods would not have worked for me.

    Learning: Replace rear derailleur cable yearly or this design fault causes a lot of trouble.

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