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Old 05-30-09, 05:46 PM   #1
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Cure For Cheap Tires

I've discovered the cure for cheap tires.
After they explode on you, you'll never be tempted to buy them again.
Forte Gotham tires, 700c x 35, 10 months old, 1,500 miles
Exploded going over a rock on a concrete path through a park, on
mile 23 of a 25 mile ride. I thought I'd been shot.
I paid $9.99 at Performance Bicycle for this tire.
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Old 05-30-09, 05:47 PM   #2
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They exploded not because you were cheap. But because you have no idea when to replace a tyre.
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Old 05-30-09, 06:06 PM   #3
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They exploded not because you were cheap. But because you have no idea when to replace a tyre.
Based on the photos I disagree. Looks like plenty of tread left so the tires do not look to be even close to worn out.
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I've run Nashbar's house brand tires ($10 or so on sale) in 700x23 on my rain bike for years and thousands of miles and never had one fail. I get very occasional flats but no more than far more expensive tires and rain is conducive to flats anyway.
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Postscript: I think it's just this particular brand/model of tire. I also had another set in the other size offered, 26 x 1.75, on another bike. At about the same age and mileage, chunks of the outside tread started separating on the front tire. In defense of the tire, I was riding on rough rocky trails, probably a purpose the tire was not intended for. None of the tires were worn out and showed any signs of failure. I initially liked them very much.
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Old 05-30-09, 07:52 PM   #6
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They exploded not because you were cheap. But because you have no idea when to replace a tyre.
Agreed. I always replace my tires just before I know they are going to explode.
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Old 05-30-09, 07:58 PM   #7
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A relative of mine worked at Performance. He said the Forte brand is OK, but avoid their tires.
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forte tires are awesome for flipping/selling bikes. if you are looking for a cheap tire, they are better than chen shins.
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It's generally a wise move to have designated tires - new - for important rides. Such as a race. Some folks go so far as to have designated wheel-sets just for such. Or a complete bicycle for that matter.

Ride on!
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They exploded not because you were cheap. But because you have no idea when to replace a tyre.
And when would that be ?
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It's generally a wise move to have designated tires - new - for important rides. Such as a race. Some folks go so far as to have designated wheel-sets just for such. Or a complete bicycle for that matter.

Ride on!
I have two sets of wheels and tyres for several of my bikes...

My vintage road bike has it's race wheels and tyres and it's "let's hunt poseur tyres" as these (Bontrager Race Lite) can take a lot more abuse and aren't as hard (impossible) to find as Avocet TT30's.

I also have a set of tubulars mounted up that I intend to run...

My hybrid has two sets of wheels and tyres for summer / winter and/or on road / off road.

I hate cheap tyres... if you have one bike that has to do it all and dependability is a concern then get decent tyres.

Contis and Schwalbe tyres cost more initially but after you have ridden 10,000 km without a flat and your tyres still look new you will appreciate the extra money you spent.

I just fitted out my friend's bikes with Conti Gatorskins... I figure the $70.00 a pair was well worth it.
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Forte Gotham...... have you noticed they are made by Panaracer(imprinted on sidewall)? Have you noticed these are the exact same tire as the Panaracer Crosstown, minus the reflective strip? These are not cheapos..... about $30 a tire branded as Panaracers.
http://www.panaracer.com/urban.php

I've not used many Panaracer tires in my life, but they seem to be a decent brand. I'd certainly return them to Performance, as they do not appear to be worn out at all from the photos. I'm using some 700x35's now.... but on the road. I'm not sure what the size of "the rock" was that ErineAZ ran over..... but it doesn't sound good that they exploded like that.

ErnieAZ.... what pressure do you run these at?
Did you inspect the tires regularly for cracks and such?

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I can only add anecdotal evidence, but it seems to me that all the Nashbar/Performance/Forte branded tires I have seen have been decent tires. Generally, I have found them to be somewhat heavy and somewhat sluggish, but certainly reliable.

I would guess your tire was hit by an act of the gods, and I would not be too quick to extrapolate from that one case.

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And, on top of that, Performance will replace it for free.
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I would guess your tire was hit by an act of the gods, and I would not be too quick to extrapolate from that one case.
+1 A data set of 1 doesn't give much statistical information. I also expect this was a fluke, not a characteristic of the brand or tire model.
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A condemnation of all cheap tires based on one catastrophic failure seems extreme...

I agree that there looks like a lot of tread left on that tire... unless it was on a fixie with a patch worn off it or something else extreme... but I would definitely send info to the manufacturer so they could check it out. It could save other people some issues.

Out of curiosity, I'm curious if you managed to maintain control of the bike... was that tire on the front or rear when it let go? If it was on the front, I expect it would have been real hard to stay upright.

Also, did the rock have sharp edges?

EDIT: Never mind on the front/back question, I just noticed the cassette in the picture...
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forte tires are awesome for flipping/selling bikes. if you are looking for a cheap tire, they are better than chen shins.
Cheng Shin makes tubes for many name brands, and perhaps even tires. Kenda for one, uses - or has used - tubes made by Cheng Shin unless the shop sold me a Kenda box with a tube made by Cheng Shin and stamped by Kenda.
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ErnieAZ.... what pressure do you run these at?
Did you inspect the tires regularly for cracks and such?[/QUOTE]

I had 75 psi in the tire. The label recommended 60 to 75 psi, the sidewall molding had max 85 psi.
I always check the pressure before every ride, and inspect the tire after every ride. I look primarily for cactus thorns, the primary problem here. This tire was in excellent condition by outward appearances. This tire was only used on relatively smooth roads. There were no cracks or other anomolies in the tire. I was pretty satisified with this tire until it exploded.

The alleged rock was a granite rock about 3/4 inch cube, with a pointed part sticking up. ("Alleged" because I didn't actually see the tire hit the rock, just backtracked and found it at about the location where the explosion occurred. I was moving at 12 to 15 mph and coasted to a stop.) Granite rocks this size are very common in landscaping here and are just unavoidable. We must be the broken car windshield capital as well.

I think I just hit the perfect rock at the perfect tire location and it was kismet, a flukey thing. I also have another special talent, picking the wrong checkout line at the store, where the person ahead of me will have a major problem and delay. I was pleased not to have crashed, in which case my sense of humor would have exploded as well.
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I've had a pair of Forte 26x1.25/90psi kevlar-belted tires on our tandem for more than a couple of years and am more than pleased with them. Not a ton of miles on them - no nicks, cuts, etc.

Not much you can do to protect yourself from a sneak attack by a crazed sharp object.
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