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    Question on cranksets

    My r800 cannodale 9 speed sport has a triple crank shimano 105's components. Can I buy these items and order a triple crank? Or will the shifters not work...? Or can I just convert everything over to this set? I want to upgrade to ultegras but cannot afford new.

    can i install items from this auction on my bike?

    http://cgi.ebay.com/Complete-Ultegra...ayphotohosting


    thanks for you help

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    You want to try your post again? It make no sense.
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    I think he wants to buy the Ultegra components in the auction, then add an Ultegra triple crank. My first question would be why? Other than bling, you are really gaining nothing by switching from 105 to Ultegra. But if you must be a conspicuous consumer, the answer is yes. Those parts will fit your bike. You will need a clamp for the front derailleur, and I would replace the cables and housing as a matter of course(especially since they may be cut for a smaller bike than yours). Then when you spend even more money for the Ultegra triple crankset, you will also need the proper bottom bracket (not sure if the one on your bike presently is the right one for the crankset you are going to purchase). Then you will need the tools to do the work, or pay a shop to do it for you. By the end, you may spend more than getting a different bike.
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    you are really gaining nothing by switching from 105 to ultegra
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    my right shifter broke..they dont make shimano 105's for nine speeds anymore.going to have to buy new ultegra shifters or tiagras for at least $250.I am also looking to upgrade parts during the next 8 months and use this as a back up......would have to spend 400 bucks to replace with new ultegras shifters..why not upgrade everything with decent used parts?

    I plan on buying a new bike in 7-8 months and will have a 5k budget....right now i want a good bike and a decent backup bike 7-8 months from now. i have 700 bucks set aside for the upgrades.
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    yes just like those DMF except mine have a black dust cap...

    I already have those on my watch list. My original question is for the extra 150 or so plus installation why not upgrade all of the componets and have a better grade shifter?

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    Because it won't be "better" in the sense that you really won't notice a difference in function, and because changing the full group set is a LOT more work than changing one shifter. Now, if you were going to build up a bare frame, then that Ultegra set is a good deal. But in your situation? No.

    The dust caps are readily available - about $5 - if you want to match appearance.

    What about your 'broke' shifter? What's wrong with it?
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    How about you just get another shifter set.

    105 has nothing on Ultegra

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    in order to shift I have to use two fingers...one to hold the brake and the other to click the shifter....otherwise the whole assembly pushes in....My LBS says the shimano 105's are not serviceable.

    so you are saying...if i won the auction at 160....i would be better off paying 99 for the single 105 you posted...than buying the lot at 160 and have 2 ultegra shifters plus the other parts
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    Ultegra 9-speed will work with either a double crank or a triple crank. The front derailleur in the sale package is for the double.

    Have you tried flushing out your 105 shifters with WD40? Sometimes this can work wonders on STI shifters. The old grease becomes hard with age and combined with dirt can cause lots of shifting problems. Also look for t small screw on the underside of the right shifter than may be loose or missing.

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    a1943

    yes the lbs did that and some type of specialty grease....

    thanks!

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    You should be able to find a 9sp 105 shifter for under $100. I got a pair for $100 on ebay several years ago. You could also buy a pair and sell the one you don't need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by indybiker01 View Post
    so you are saying...if i won the auction at 160....i would be better off paying 99 for the single 105 you posted...than buying the lot at 160 and have 2 ultegra shifters plus the other parts
    Didn't I just say so?

    Geez, add it up. You need that set (currently $200+ and headed for $250+), and a triple crank, and a triple front derailleur - easily $300+. Then you have to put it on the bike and adjust it. If you don't do the work add at least $150 for the LBS; if you do add $75 for the tools.

    For a net gain of ... nothing.

    Or for less $$ you could go right for an Ultegra replacement.
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    2 ultegra shifters purchased on ebay.....

    $160.00

    Installation
    $35

    =$195

    One new tiagra shifter
    $156

    Installation
    $23

    $179


    For an extra 26 dollars why would i not go with the ultegras? Even if I go with with the used shimano 105 shifter at 100 bucks (esthetics 6 mechanical 10,,,,yeah right) I would gladly pay the extra 100 for a better shifter installed....

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    Well hell, it's your money. Do what you want with it.


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    I don’t see how spending 160 on used ultegra shifters are irrational? Am I missing something? I mean if I posted a question asking if I should buy some gold plated shifters that lance Armstrong used to win his first tour de France for 4500 I would expect such a response from you DMF. I am watching some ultegra sl component group of a madone on ebay. If I get a wild hair I may buy it and have some extra parts to play around with. Maybe I can buy a Lemond race used frame and put some used shimano 105's on it and some of my wife's used bontager hybrid tires.

    I think from the start your help has been that of irritation and indifference. If I irritate you then please don’t reply. I understand you are knowledgeable and probably have many more years of experience than me....in fact I am sure of the second part.

    Just like the guy that posted a thread *****ing about the guy that had multiple carbon bikes and the obligatory BMW. I prefer quality things. I won’t apologize for it. If I spend an extra 50 bucks so be it. I am not really concerned that I will get the extra 50 dollars worth of performance out of the shifters. I bought this bike to ride for the next six months until I find a bike that fits my needs. I plan out putting little higher quality components on it in the mean time. It will be a decent back up bike when I need it. If I were fiscally irresponsible I would have stroked a check for a 7k bike without ever researching or relying on other people’s experiences. Or I could take the bike I have and install New components such as the SRAM red line or Ulegra Dura Ace. That I understand would be overkill. But if someone wanted to do it and it didn’t effect the mortgage payment or food on the table then it's a free country.

    Sorry for the rant and I am not saying your intentions intended to be mean or unhelpful. But I am fully aware that I am green when it comes to this hobby but like everything I do from my professional to my personal life I will learn it and become fully immersed in this hobby and will one day hopefully be knowledgeable as you. Until then I may have to ask some "bonehead" questions in order to make progress. I do appreciate some of the PM's with suggestions and advice as well as everyone else’s including yours DMF.

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    First of all, your original post NEVER mentioned that you had a broken shifter. If you want to replace the shifters you have with the Ultegras, be my guest. I still wouldn't go through the exercise of switching over the whole gruppo, especially since you are going to replace the whole bike in a few months anyway. Use what you need and put the rest back on eBay. You may even wind up getting the shifters for nothing when all is said and done. As I said earlier, the difference in performance isn't worth the effort or expense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by indybiker01 View Post

    For an extra 26 dollars why would i not go with the ultegras? Even if I go with with the used shimano 105 shifter at 100 bucks (esthetics 6 mechanical 10,,,,yeah right) I would gladly pay the extra 100 for a better shifter installed....
    It was more of an aesthetic 7 mechanical 8. 5 years later they're still going strong (it was actually a pair) so who am I to question my own experience?

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    taken from the auction above

    his auction is for one set (left and right) of Shimano 105 STI 9 speed levers. The left shift lever is designed for a double chain ring set-up. The right lever is designed for 9 speed drivetrains. As for the condition of the shifters on a scale of 1 to 10, cosmetically they are a 6, but mechanically they are a 10. They still run beautifully despite their use which can be noted by some scuffs on the plates and levers. All told, these are an excellent deal for the set!

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    Quote Originally Posted by indybiker01 View Post
    I don’t see how spending 160 on used ultegra shifters are irrational? Am I missing something?
    You really ought to read your posts before clicking the button. You asked about "that auction". The only auction you have referenced is the one for the full group. Only after I replied did you mention anything about an auction (still unreferenced) for Ultegra shifters.

    So to answer the question that you now seem to have asked, is $160 Ultegra shifters worth it? Maybe, though why you would when you can get the (Ultegra) replacement you need for $40 escapes me. But if you want be spend $120 for a left shifter you don't need, by all means be my guest.


    Do I sound a little irritated? I imagine so. First you can't seem to post a coherent thought. Then when we answer your question (as best we can figure it out), you tell us we're wrong. If someone did that to you, wouldn't you feel a little irritated?

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