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    Rival vs. Force....help me decide!

    Test rode a friend's Rival equipped bike. Loved the hoods and the shifting action. Question: what is to be gained for the extra $$ moving up to Force? I ride a few centuries a year, 4,500 miles annually....just a regular rec rider.

    That nasty question-- what equivalent level in Shimano or Campy line would Rival and Force hold?
    The aging cyclist may not get faster-- but he does get slower at slowing down.

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    Rival will be a bit heavier and have less "exotic" components.

    My take is:

    Rival = 105 and Veloce
    Force = Ultegra and Centaur
    Red = Dura Ace and Chorus or Record

    How much of a premium is Force over rival where you have priced them?

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    I would get the rival cause its alot cheaper, and the only real difference between the 2 are weight...

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    Get Rival. Both have the exact same internals, the only difference is that Force has a few more carbon fiber/Ti parts (such as screws and bolts) that make it a few grams lighter. TBH, those few grams are not worth the extra $$ you'll spend on it. Just go with Rival. (Not to mention rival has been updated with carbon levers which makes it one step closer to Force.)

    Also, if you had to equate SRAM with Shimano, Rival = Ultegra, no doubt.
    Last edited by iareConfusE; 07-11-09 at 11:09 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HillRider View Post
    Rival will be a bit heavier and have less "exotic" components.

    My take is:

    Rival = 105 and Veloce
    Force = Ultegra and Centaur
    Red = Dura Ace and Chorus or Record

    How much of a premium is Force over rival where you have priced them?
    I've not priced SRAM equipment, but if it's like the Shimano road line, the cost to go from 105 to Ultegra is not that much, but the step from Ultegra to Dura Ace is a huge leap. I'm an Ultegra guy, and think it's the best bang for the buck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MudPie View Post
    I've not priced SRAM equipment, but if it's like the Shimano road line, the cost to go from 105 to Ultegra is not that much, but the step from Ultegra to Dura Ace is a huge leap. I'm an Ultegra guy, and think it's the best bang for the buck.
    By my estimates (and I'm not advocated any position here, I love Ultegra BTW, I've got mixed Ultegra DA) the full groupo jump from Ultegra to DA, is only about 350 dollars. But Force to Red, holy 700 dollar jump!

    Red costs more than Super Record? Wow . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnknappcc View Post
    Red costs more than Super Record? Wow . . .
    Using MSRP figures (which are fiction) that may be correct. However, in the "real world", Super Record, Record and even Chorus are more expensive than Red. In the case of Super Record, the cost is MUCH higher.

    Colorado Cyclist lists complete build kits (everything but the frame and fork) for several component groups. Using the same wheel set (Easton EA70 in this example) to make the comparisons equivalent their prices are:

    SRAM Red: $2100
    SRAM Force: $1630
    Campy Super Record 11:$3285
    Campy Record 11: $2996
    Campy Chorus 11: $2353
    Shimano Dura Ace 7900: $2721
    Shimano Ultegra 6600-G: $1428

    Now a few of the accessory items aren't identical. The Campy groups come with their own brand carbon seat posts and headsets while the SRAM and Shimano groups are supplied with an FSA carbon post and an FSA headset but these by no means account for most of the cost differences.

    Also note CC doesn't list or sell Rival, Centaur or 105 so these group prices are not available from them for comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HillRider View Post
    Using MSRP figures (which are fiction) that may be correct. However, in the "real world", Super Record, Record and even Chorus are more expensive than Red. In the case of Super Record, the cost is MUCH higher.

    Colorado Cyclist lists complete build kits (everything but the frame and fork) for several component groups. Using the same wheel set (Easton EA70 in this example) to make the comparisons equivalent their prices are:

    SRAM Red: $2100
    SRAM Force: $1630
    Campy Super Record 11:$3285
    Campy Record 11: $2996
    Campy Chorus 11: $2353
    Shimano Dura Ace 7900: $2721
    Shimano Ultegra 6600-G: $1428

    Now a few of the accessory items aren't identical. The Campy groups come with their own brand carbon seat posts and headsets while the SRAM and Shimano groups are supplied with an FSA carbon post and an FSA headset but these by no means account for most of the cost differences.

    Also note CC doesn't list or sell Rival, Centaur or 105 so these group prices are not available from them for comparison.
    Maybe so, I got my figures from Lickton's as they have specials on full groups sometimes. Yeah, they don't include the seatposts or headsets. They've got the SR 11 group (drivetrain only) for 1988, and Red for about 2100.

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