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Old 09-15-09, 04:08 PM   #1
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White Lightning kick to the curb!

Don't have a question guys/gals, just a statement to make about chain cleaning/lubing. Until yesterday had been using WL, but upon checking at the LBS, he recommended ROCK AND ROLL GOLD. After doing some research/reading about it decided to give it a try today. At this point, can see no cons, but plenty of pros. First is ease of application, put it on/rub it off, that's it! I keep my bike abnormally clean, so you can imagine my surprise when, and I mean this literally, CHUNKS of grease/grime fell into the rag and some on the floor! Let bike sit for about 30 minutes while I cleaned up my mess and then took a short 5 mile ride. Again, I was amazed at the smoothness of the shifts and especially the quietness of the chain. It was/is a significant improvement to what I was accustomed.

Thought this was worth mentioning because until yesterday, never heard of Rock and Roll, but believe me, this one is a keeper! Just wanted to let everyone know (that doesn't already) this product truly works!
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I switched to Rock and Roll Extreme (blue stuff) about a year ago. You will find you have to put it on a little more often then soem other lubes but it by far the best stuff I have ever used. Try their super web grease the next time you need to repack some bearings.
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The very knowledgeable fellow at the LBS covered the frequency w/me also. Said I should redo it about every 8/10 hours ride time and especially if I was caught in a thunderstorm. I replied to him only time I ride is when the sun is shining and smooth concrete/asphalt to ride upon! Because it is such a snap to apply, really won't take a lot of time to do. Thanks for the advice about the grease!
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I have used nothing but Rock and Roll Gold since 2005. I love the stuff.
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Don't have a question guys/gals, just a statement to make about chain cleaning/lubing. Until yesterday had been using WL, but upon checking at the LBS, he recommended ROCK AND ROLL GOLD. After doing some research/reading about it decided to give it a try today. At this point, can see no cons, but plenty of pros. First is ease of application, put it on/rub it off, that's it! I keep my bike abnormally clean, so you can imagine my surprise when, and I mean this literally, CHUNKS of grease/grime fell into the rag and some on the floor! Let bike sit for about 30 minutes while I cleaned up my mess and then took a short 5 mile ride. Again, I was amazed at the smoothness of the shifts and especially the quietness of the chain. It was/is a significant improvement to what I was accustomed.

Thought this was worth mentioning because until yesterday, never heard of Rock and Roll, but believe me, this one is a keeper! Just wanted to let everyone know (that doesn't already) this product truly works!
I've never heard of the stuff but after looking at their website, it doesn't look like it's any different from White Lightning. Application is the same, results are the same, liquid in the bottle looks the same. And then there is this wonderful little chestnut:

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Many riders ask, "What is the difference between the Extreme, Absolute Dry, and the Gold?" The Extreme is for MTB's and can be used on the road, but the Absolute Dry is for the road, only, and the Gold is for all bikes. Here's why: The bicycle, because it's on rubber tires, is not grounded, making the bicycle a static electricity machine. As the bicycle rolls along, it's constantly throwing off negative charged electrons, whereas the dirt along the ground is positively charged, and comes up to the bike to replace the discharge. The dirt is going to stick to whatever is sticky on the bike; of course the chain is the number one spot.

Road bikes generally tend to pick up more dirt from the discharge, so a thicker, dryer membrane is needed. Whereas the MTB, needs something that can take more dust from the front wheel being kicked up on the chain as well as water crossing, etc. The Gold, is the most recent addition to the Rock "N" Roll chain lube line-up. the Gold, works on all bicycles, staying cleaner and giving smoother pedaling, and shifting, then any lube we know of.


Chains pick up dirt and crap because they are generally coated with a sticky liquid...not because they are charged with static Believe me, if bicycles were a static generating machine, I'd have been zapping my kids with them a loooong time ago

And road bikes pick up more dirt...then what? A mountain bike? Give me a break
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ProGold ProLink all the way. Chains get dirty, but ProLink seems to keep mine cleaner than anything else I have tried.

Tempted to try one of my gun oils one of these days...If it can stand up to 9mm pressures, probably do ok on a bike chain?
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nymtber- I have used remoil to lube the insides of cable housing and it's great. never used one of my gun lubes on a chain. I wonder how it would do.
Imagine a chain whipping around something like Eezox. The thought of those fumes is giving me a headache!
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Yea, I will probably stick to ProLink, it works awesome. I have CorrosionX for guns, its some seriously good lube. It is wonderful at preventing rust, and a really good lubricant, as well. It truly keeps my .22 semi's functioning longer than any other lube I've run.

Ive only lubed one cable housing, that was one I just put on my brothers bike that didn't have a liner (cheap cable/housing kit). It was just a brake cable, i put a little grease here and there on the cable itself, Park grease at that
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I use it to lube my muffler bearings and it works great. It also makes a great tube grease.

Triflow>prolink, and I don't have to squirt half a bottle on every 8 hours.
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So I'm suppose to lube my chain everyday??? I don't think so.

I just rode my bike around the shop,then held dirt up to the chain,none jumped up there.Rubbed a balloon on my head,held dirt up to it,dirt jumps to the balloon.

Put a rubber sprocket on the front and a wool chain,now were talking static electricity.

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So I'm suppose to lube my chain everyday??? I don't think so.

I just rode my bike around the shop,then held dirt up to the chain,none jumped up there.Rubbed a balloon on my head,held dirt up to it,dirt jumps to the balloon.

Put a rubber sprocket on the front and a wool chain,now were talking static electricity.
Who ever said you have to lube your chain everyday? I use White Lightning (have for years) and I don't apply it any more often than any other lube I've used in the past. I doubt if I apply it more than once every 6 weeks.
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Who ever said you have to lube your chain everyday? I use White Lightning (have for years) and I don't apply it any more often than any other lube I've used in the past. I doubt if I apply it more than once every 6 weeks.
the OP said you have to re-apply his new miracle liquid every 8-10 hours. I regularly ride longer than that in a day.
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I generally prefer indie music to rock and roll, but as long as it isn't country I'm fine . . . Oh wait, you guys were talking about chain lube.
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the OP said you have to re-apply his new miracle liquid every 8-10 hours. I regularly ride longer than that in a day.
No. The bike shop told PatrickJIV to reapply every 8/10 hours of ride time. That is utter bull****! The shop is just trying to sell him more of the stuff than he really needs or they are sticking with the old crap about wax lubes not being as 'good' as oil lubes. Wax lubes don't need more applicationthan other lubes. Nor is half a bottle needed each time.
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No where did I read about using a half bottle of this or any other stuff to put on a chain. I used maybe ¼ oz, if that, applying yesterday. Please stop putting words into something that isn't there! And in your first post you stated there wasn't any difference, app was the same, blah, blah, blah. Guess we read a different web page. WL does NOT clean AND lube the chain. You have to have the chain clean, clean, and then clean some more before applying. R&R does both steps at once. And after thinking my chain was fairly clean using WL, after seeing the HUNKS of grime/grease fall out of it, that's when I kicked it to the curb.

If you're satisfied w/WL, that's fine, to each his own I guess. R&R Gold for me!
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I generally prefer indie music to rock and roll, but as long as it isn't country I'm fine . . . Oh wait, you guys were talking about chain lube.
Done yet?

You're not hatin' on Taylor Swift are you? the poor girls had enough trauma!!!
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I used WL for a number of years with good results- performance-wise. But to tell the truth I got tired of the build up when I needed to do a thorough cleaning.

+1 on the lubes that clean AND lube in one application. I like ProGold.
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No where did I read about using a half bottle of this or any other stuff to put on a chain. I used maybe ¼ oz, if that, applying yesterday. Please stop putting words into something that isn't there! And in your first post you stated there wasn't any difference, app was the same, blah, blah, blah. Guess we read a different web page. WL does NOT clean AND lube the chain. You have to have the chain clean, clean, and then clean some more before applying. R&R does both steps at once. And after thinking my chain was fairly clean using WL, after seeing the HUNKS of grime/grease fall out of it, that's when I kicked it to the curb.

If you're satisfied w/WL, that's fine, to each his own I guess. R&R Gold for me!
First I was defending you against others who said that you had to use 1/2 a bottle for each application. You don't.

As for the Rock and Roll stuff being pretty much the same as WL, here's what WL has to say about self-cleaning

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Clean Ride sets up as a dry wax film. There is no oily film to attract abrasive contaminants, so your chain and gears will perform better and last 2 to 3 times longer. Clean Ride's self-cleaning action is activated by any dirt, grit or grime that finds it's way onto your chain or parts. Small particles of the outer wax structure will flake off, taking the dirt, grime or grit with it. This begins the cycle of 'self-cleaning'. Clean Ride is a unique, wax-based lubricant, so it is important to start with a clean chain. For optimum 'self-cleaning' performance, do not mix Clean Ride with oil based lubricants. The dirtier the ride, the more active the shedding action. So to this extent, Clean Ride will require more frequent re-application after dirtier rides. When Clean Ride is used regularly and properly, you'll rarely have to clean your chain again. So, while your buddies are cleaning their chains, you'll be applying a fresh shot of Clean Ride and heading out for yet another great ride!
Application is the same. Flood the chain, let it evaporate, wipe off the excess if you like. And I'll bet that you get better results with your lube if you clean the factory gum off first.

I don't really care about which lube you use. I do care, however, when people make **** up about how and why something works when they are obviously blowing smoke out their butts. Rock and Roll's claim about 'static build up' is just so much smoke. Dirt, sand, grit and other gunk gets on the chain because oil based lubes trap it there. Take away the sticky oil and dirt has nothing to stick to. No more exotic explanation is needed.
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It really comes down to mileage for me. I get 5000-6000 miles out of a chain using close to the the same stuff Honda recommends for their motorcycle chain.
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I'm with cyccommute. The OP makes statements that don't equate to R&R being better than WL, and the R&R site is about 50% moose hockey.

Why has no one suggested commercial trolling?
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I'm with cyccommute. The OP makes statements that don't equate to R&R being better than WL, and the R&R site is about 50% moose hockey.

Why has no one suggested commercial trolling?
Hey, you're entitled to your opinion the SAME AS ME! Don't care about the R&R site, just the results that I have already gotten, thank you! And at 72 years of age, retired Navy, can rest assure you and anyone else, I am NOT a troll, commercial or residential. Maybe that's why no one has brought it up. Jeesh!

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Just because everyone likes chocolate ice-cream and you happen to like vanilla, doesn't make your choice any "better" than ours. Let's see how many miles you get out of a chain with R&R.
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Don't have a question guys/gals, just a statement to make about chain cleaning/lubing. Until yesterday had been using WL, but upon checking at the LBS, he recommended ROCK AND ROLL GOLD. After doing some research/reading about it decided to give it a try today. At this point, can see no cons, but plenty of pros. First is ease of application, put it on/rub it off, that's it! I keep my bike abnormally clean, so you can imagine my surprise when, and I mean this literally, CHUNKS of grease/grime fell into the rag and some on the floor! Let bike sit for about 30 minutes while I cleaned up my mess and then took a short 5 mile ride. Again, I was amazed at the smoothness of the shifts and especially the quietness of the chain. It was/is a significant improvement to what I was accustomed.

Thought this was worth mentioning because until yesterday, never heard of Rock and Roll, but believe me, this one is a keeper! Just wanted to let everyone know (that doesn't already) this product truly works!
Rock'n'roll and prolink are one of the best dry lubes out there. It always runs clean. They won't last 30seconds in wet weather though ...
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