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    Headset ?'s: Chris King...

    My Trek Project One has a silver Chris King aheadset. I want a black one. So, I need some removal tool, to save the carbon frame? Anyone know what I need?

    Question#2: Can I swap my threadless headset into a mountain frame (same: 1 & 1/8") from the road bike?

    Question#3: Anyone know of a better headset? in black? For a 2003 Project One (110 OLCV, 5900)?

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    Need a headset cup removal tool, google for Park (and other established tool brands) versions or DIY versions, and a press to install (again google for established tools like Park or DIY). 1-1/8" mountain or road, use as you wish as long as it makes your frame head tube/fork steerer happy.. Headsets aren't magic, Cane Creek has some nice alternatives. One nice thing about sticking with a King for several bikes is you can install your crown races on forks that then can be swtiched around (not likely from road to mountain bike, though I find it handy among my mountain bikes).
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    Quote Originally Posted by roberth33tiger View Post
    Thanks for the link, but that press is not compatible with Carbon frames. I'll find a press, that I am sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbnathan View Post
    Thanks for the link, but that press is not compatible with Carbon frames. I'll find a press, that I am sure.
    Just what makes a press compatible with a carbon frame?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikinfool View Post
    Headsets aren't magic, Cane Creek has some nice alternatives. One nice thing about sticking with a King for several bikes is you can install your crown races on forks that then can be swtiched around (not likely from road to mountain bike, though I find it handy among my mountain bikes).
    Actually, you can get extra crown races for many Cane Creek headsets, and I think a lot of them now use the same size cartridge bearings as their standard IS integrated headsets. So, I suspect you could just swap the forks around like with a King. Essentially, with their S3/S6/S8/110/etc headsets, you get some cups that turn your head tube into an IS-compatible head tube, then you drop in IS bearings and put an IS baseplate on the fork crown. Like you said, there's not much to these headsets aside from the bearings.

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    You want a better headset than Chris King?

    Talk about diminishing returns...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikinfool View Post
    Just what makes a press compatible with a carbon frame?
    +1

    Pardon my ignorance, but I always figured a press is a press is a press.

    (...is a press, etc.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by LarDasse74 View Post
    +1

    Pardon my ignorance, but I always figured a press is a press is a press.

    (...is a press, etc.)
    Methinks the OP has extrapolated his wisdom from the Nashbar ad writer's blurb for their press: "Constructed of high quality tool steel this headset press is compatible with steel or aluminum frames..."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaluna View Post
    Essentially, with their S3/S6/S8/110/etc headsets, you get some cups that turn your head tube into an IS-compatible head tube, then you drop in IS bearings and put an IS baseplate on the fork crown.
    Please help. I bought a Ti frame from Lynskey (the Cooper) which has a traditional headtube. I also bought a Dedacciaci (Deda) Black Magic 2 fork, which apparently is an integrated fork. The folks over at Lynskye told me I could retrofit, but I'm not exactly sure how. Looked at Cane Creek's website which said something about 36 vs 45 degree chamfers and blah blah blah - do you have any idea what they're talking about? Can anyone guide me in the right direction re: sticking an integrated fork on a traditional frame?

    MANY thanks, I want to get the headset ordered ASAP as I live overseas and will be picking this stuff up from a friend's house on a biz trip later this month.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ges74 View Post
    Please help. I bought a Ti frame from Lynskey (the Cooper) which has a traditional headtube. I also bought a Dedacciaci (Deda) Black Magic 2 fork, which apparently is an integrated fork. The folks over at Lynskye told me I could retrofit, but I'm not exactly sure how. Looked at Cane Creek's website which said something about 36 vs 45 degree chamfers and blah blah blah - do you have any idea what they're talking about? Can anyone guide me in the right direction re: sticking an integrated fork on a traditional frame?

    MANY thanks, I want to get the headset ordered ASAP as I live overseas and will be picking this stuff up from a friend's house on a biz trip later this month.
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    I don't know much about that specific frame, but it sounds like you should be able to use any traditional threadless headset (e.g. Cane Creek S3, Chris King, etc.) with that frame and fork without any special "retrofit" procedure. Just install them the way you would with any normal headset and fork.

    I think your confusion comes in with the term "integrated fork". As I understand it, an integrated fork is just a regular fork that is designed to look nice when paired with an integrated headset. But as far as I know this is purely cosmetic and they are still completely compatible with traditional headsets and vice versa. Literally, they just enlarge the area around the fork crown so that it blends nicely with the oversized head tube on an integrated frame. So it might look a little odd on a traditional frame but should be mechanically sound.

    The business about the 36 vs 45 degree chamfers has to do with the various integrated headset standards. Since your frame takes a traditional headset, you don't have to worry about any of that. Just make sure you get the right size headset for your fork steerer tube. Lynskey should be able to provide you with this information, though it is most likely 1 1/8".
    Last edited by Metaluna; 04-02-10 at 01:04 PM.

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    Thanks for the clarification, really appreciate it!

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