Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Bicycle Mechanics Broken bottom bracket? Tacoed wheel? If you're having problems with your bicycle, or just need help fixing a flat, drop in here for the latest on bicycle mechanics & bicycle maintenance.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 07-12-10, 05:16 PM   #1
Batavus
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Netherlands
Bikes: Wabi Lightning, fixed 13.6 pounds. Cera steel road bike Campy veloce 9s
Posts: 521
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
New wheelbuild: 20h versus 28 hole for the front wheel

Hi all,

New build on the way. Track wheelset using kinlin XR-300 rims, Novatech track rear and novatech superlight front road hub.

I can order the rim and front hub in the 20 hole variety as well as in 28 hole.

My aim is to make a more aero wheelset than I currently have (XR-200). I will be using CN's version of the CX-ray bladed spoke which is considerably cheaper.

My wish is to make it as cheap and aero as possible. 20 versus 28 would be more aerodynamic as well as cheaper. Also it would be lighter, but that is of secondary concern. (estimated weight 1500-1600 gms, still lightweight for the money)

My concern is that the front wheel would not be strong enough with 20 spokes. I weigh 80 kgms and I don't particularly baby my wheels, nor do I abuse them.

Also, how much of a difference would using bladed spokes in the rear wheel make? I am thinking round spokes for the rear, again because of cost savings. Will the difference be noticeable with 32 spokes? (Can only order rear hub in 32)


What do you think?
Batavus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-10, 05:28 PM   #2
operator
cab horn
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Toronto
Bikes: 1987 Bianchi Campione
Posts: 28,306
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
You weigh 170lbs and you're choosing some of the cheapest components to build a wheelset out of. This does not make sense. Light, aero and cheap don't mix. That being said if your current XR-200 rims are holding I don't see why the 300's won't. They are stronger because of the increased depth.

Spoke wise, you aren't really going to find 'bladed' spokes anywhere. Nothing substantially bladed anyways. Anything that is will require slotted hubs. Which you do not have. What lacing pattern are you planning on doing front and rear?
operator is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-10, 09:38 PM   #3
mrrabbit 
Senior Member
 
mrrabbit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: San Jose, California
Bikes: 2001 Tommasini Sintesi w/ Campagnolo Daytona 10 Speed
Posts: 3,190
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Those Novatech (Dimension, GodSpeed, Raleigh) track hubs - if they are the ones I think they are - are quite frankly cheap and getting cheaper.

Just in the last month - I've run into one where the polish/silver anodization was peeling off...no kidding...peeling off.

Also ran into one where the cartridge bearing seats were machined off center resulting in wobble on one side.

Bad enough already that they come with cheap bearings and snap-happy axles and strip-happy cog threads.


Answer Operator's questions...he's trying to steer you in a better direction...would be worthwhile.

=8-)
__________________
4000+ wheels built since 1984...

Disclaimer:

1. I do not claim to be an expert in bicycle mechanics despite my experience.
2. I like anyone will comment in other areas.
3. I do not own the preexisting concepts of DISH and ERD.
4. I will provide information as I always have to others that I believe will help them protect themselves from unscrupulous mechanics.
5. My all time favorite book is:

Kahane, Howard. Logic and Contemporary Rhetoric: The Use of Reason in Everyday Life
mrrabbit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-10, 11:28 PM   #4
fietsbob 
coprolite
 
fietsbob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: NW,Oregon Coast
Bikes: 7
Posts: 20,462
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 663 Post(s)
Track? you building to race Match Sprints or Pursuit ?

American Classic makes radial spoke compatible hubs, I believe you can order them slotted for bladed spokes, then get something like a Sun or Velocity deep section rim . the wing shape of the leading edge of the tire rim combination will be the Aero thing you seek.

I have a 20 spoke wheel on a stamped steel hub, radially spoked.. , its on my Brompton with 16" wheels .. smaller wheels have aerodynamic advantage , but thats not why they are there..

Last edited by fietsbob; 07-12-10 at 11:33 PM.
fietsbob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-13-10, 03:06 AM   #5
Batavus
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Netherlands
Bikes: Wabi Lightning, fixed 13.6 pounds. Cera steel road bike Campy veloce 9s
Posts: 521
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Ok, I wasn't aware that the Novatech track hubs were of poor quality. I thought they were on a par with Formula hubs.

Here's a picture of the rear I'm planning to use:




And the front hub:





The front hub I already have on my current wheelset and performs just fine and has a good finish.

Also, I do not consider XR-300 rims a cheap component, they are certainly of equal or better quality than say a Mavic CXP 33 (which is more expensive)

I should have said fixed gear wheelset instead of track, they will only be ridden on the road. Also, the XR-200 wheelset I have is a 32/28 combo, so doesn't directly compare I suppose.

The wheels will be laced 2 cross front and rear, possibly 3 cross on the rear depending on spoke length availability.

Last edited by Batavus; 07-13-10 at 03:14 AM.
Batavus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-13-10, 03:57 AM   #6
AEO
Senior Member
 
AEO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: A Coffin Called Earth. or Toronto, ON
Bikes: Bianchi, Miyata, Dahon, Rossin
Posts: 12,258
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
Track? you building to race Match Sprints or Pursuit ?

American Classic makes radial spoke compatible hubs, I believe you can order them slotted for bladed spokes, then get something like a Sun or Velocity deep section rim . the wing shape of the leading edge of the tire rim combination will be the Aero thing you seek.

I have a 20 spoke wheel on a stamped steel hub, radially spoked.. , its on my Brompton with 16" wheels .. smaller wheels have aerodynamic advantage , but thats not why they are there..
smaller wheels don't need as many spokes.

Those novatec hubs are decent quality for the price.
I use that same 20h front hub A291SB front with a XR-270 rim no problem, but I do only weigh 60kg.

at your weight, I would stick to 24h front and 28h rear for XR-300 rims, if possible.
__________________
Food for thought: if you aren't dead by 2050, you and your entire family will be within a few years from starvation. Now that is a cruel gift to leave for your offspring. ;)
http://sanfrancisco.ibtimes.com/arti...ger-photos.htm
AEO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-13-10, 03:40 PM   #7
Soil_Sampler
A little North of Hell
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 4,812
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 20 Post(s)
20/28

Quote:
Originally Posted by Batavus View Post
Ok, I wasn't aware that the Novatech track hubs were of poor quality.
I thought they were on a par with Formula hubs.

Also, I do not consider XR-300 rims a cheap component, they are certainly of equal or better quality than say a Mavic CXP 33 (which is more expensive)

The wheels will be laced 2 cross front and rear, possibly 3 cross on the rear depending on spoke length availability.
similar quality

I would say the cxp 33 is a better rim. imo

2X, I would go 28H.
Soil_Sampler is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:14 AM.