'''96 Litespeed Catalyst, '05 Litespeed Firenze, '06 Litespeed Tuscany, '12 Surly Pacer, All are 3x8,9 or 10. It is hilly around here!
Before you do any more, remove the crank puller and check in the openings to see if there are washers inside. You must remove the washers or the puller won't work. If the holes are clear, the required force to pop the crank arms loose may still be quite high.
Thank you washers out got em off with slow steady pull its kinda scary you dont want to strip threads etc. now the lock ring is on tight slot screwdriver wont do it butcher job going to buy proper spanner take care.