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    Wedge for Kickstand??

    I have the sunlite double kickstand. IMO aestetically it is the best looking style and after looking at what few double kickstands are available. there doesn't seem to be more double kicks. considering all the packing now being implemented on bikes I wonder why there aren't more. I am in search of two items for my bike. 1) a type of locking or limiting collar or such for the front stem that would limit or lock the front stem from turning the extreme levels. I've read that a few bikes have this front locking mechanism. 2) a wedge for my kickstand. Maybe someone could make a custom one of they are not already available. I need a 20-30degree wedhe in order to give my kickstand a level base so that mty bike doesn't keep falling over. My comfrot bike has enough of a curve on it that a kickstand does sit normally and my bike keeps falling over off the kcikstand at the slightest touch!: help on this would really be appreciated!!!!!

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    You are looking for the Hebie Steering Stabilizer or the new one from Velo Orange. The VO one is the best price if it will fit your frame. Wallbikes price was best for the Hebie.

    I got the Hebie ones from Wallbike and Clever Cycles. Contact them both as the stabilizer is not shown on their web sites. The VO one looks like it will only fit older steel frames with small diameter down tubes.

    Unfortunately most double kickstands are European designs or copies of them and most bikes in Europe that include them, or that they are fitted to, have a stand mounting plate that is part of the frame. This is a flat plate behind the bottom bracket shell predrilled for a stand to bolt to. I have made my own mounting plates to handle difficult mounting situations of dual leg stands on a couple of my bikes.
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    Tatdield......thanks for steering me to Velo Orange for the wheel stabilizer....looks like the ticket and good price too......I even like the double kickstand they have there but again regardless of which double I have the mounting plate has that angle that will be problematic. The Globe bikes fo have a mounting plate ( which is very nice ) but it's not level ..so double kicks stands will have a problem . at the slightest touch the bikes falls off the kickstand and has fallen over twice with my 18 lb battery pack! Unless I can mount it more center near the gearing but then I need to either find or make a mounting plate. How did you make yours?? do you have a pic?

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    Mine is a piece of aluminum angle bolted to the cross tube behind the bottom bracket found on most frames. No corrective angle was required.

    Can you use a file to modify the angle of the top surface of your center stand where it sits against the frame plate so that it can be installed at a better angle? I am a hobbyist machinist and enjoy tackling problems such as the one you have but would not try anything without having both the stand and bike in front of me to work with.

    You might also email Specialized to find out if they have any recommendations for a better center stand for your bike. You did mention Globe so I presume it is a Specialized Globe.
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    wedge for double kickstand

    well if i had a machine shop i'd fashion the wedge myself out of thick aluminum ( running board type) but i'm an apt. dweller.....I two pics of my bike..the only thing I can think about is finding a mounting plate tso i can move the stand directly behind the joint but that would make for an even more seesaw effect . Thats bad enough as it is now. I will emial specialized but i won't hold my breath.




    Can you use a file to modify the angle of the top surface of your center stand where it sits against the frame plate so that it can be installed at a better angle? I am a hobbyist machinist and enjoy tackling problems such as the one you have but would not try anything without having both the stand and bike in front of me to work with.

    You might also email Specialized to find out if they have any recommendations for a better center stand for your bike. You did mention Globe so I presume it is a Specialized Globe.[/QUOTE]
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    All you need is any material that will tolerate the tightening force you need to apply to hold the kickstand in place - would not necessarily have to be metal - hard rubber or similar would work. I don't know that you would even necessarily have to have a wedge per se, as long as you don't overtighten. Check with a hardware store - maybe in the plumbing section.

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    Maybe the KS is cut too short?
    throw a toe strap around the wheel and down tube that will help too...
    I fit a webbing piece and a side release buckle for my Porteur rack fitted bike.

    SOME OTHER SOLUTIONS

    Have a Koga trekking Bike , they fit a 2nd KS onto the lower end of the left tubus lowrider . that works OK.

    the HD frame I got built for touring has a Nylon Block under the down tube,
    It has a function as a stop for the fork crown to bump into, and the Front derailleur cable housing stop.

    German Tout Terrain frames have a stop on the headtube, and a clamped on stop on the steerer tube that hits that stop.
    Peter White the US retailing importer of those ..

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    If you put a wedge in it,the kickstand leg will not fold up parallel with the chainstay.

    Looks like it will need a 1/2 - 1 inch spacer under the mount or the legs need to be longer with the mount so high.The angle should not be a big deal.

    You could cut some aluminum pads for the bottom of the kickstand leg,but they will have to be thick,so it might make the legs bouncy in the closed position from the weight hanging out that far.

    If it was mine,I would make some spacers out of something easy,like cardboard,stack them in there until you figure out how thick you need.Than make something out of aluminum or hard rubber or plexi or whatever looks good to you.

    With a double kickstand,you shouldn't be having problems with the wheel wanting to turn at all,the bike should be standing level(not leaning) when on the stand,at least on reasonably level ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by medusa View Post
    well if i had a machine shop i'd fashion the wedge myself out of thick aluminum ( running board type) but i'm an apt. dweller.....I two pics of my bike..the only thing I can think about is finding a mounting plate tso i can move the stand directly behind the joint but that would make for an even more seesaw effect . Thats bad enough as it is now. I will emial specialized but i won't hold my breath.




    Can you use a file to modify the angle of the top surface of your center stand where it sits against the frame plate so that it can be installed at a better angle? I am a hobbyist machinist and enjoy tackling problems such as the one you have but would not try anything without having both the stand and bike in front of me to work with.

    You might also email Specialized to find out if they have any recommendations for a better center stand for your bike. You did mention Globe so I presume it is a Specialized Globe.
    Can you take a picture of the bike from the rear with the kickstand deployed? Zoom out so we can see the entire bike and its angle relative to the ground. Also a picture of the kickstand retracted.

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    I can see the angle of the mounting plate in relation to the ground that you are talking about from the photo. All other stand mounting plates I have seen have been parallel to the ground so IMO Specialized blew it or designed it for a particular stand, possibly a side stand rather than a center stand. IMO the VO stand would have the same problem as your current one.
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    Picture is worth a thousand words..


    Yea like Tat, looks like the frame was too clever a design, impractically style over function.

    KS wont go over center to stay up because the base is at that silly angle..
    someone designed in one place, and another country just followed as the order read .

    the wedge , need a pair, would get the KS back to what it may have been if they
    had a brain in their head ..

    machine shop project : 2 wedge shaped plates .
    one sandwiched on each side of that plate,
    so top and bottom of both plates is horizontal to the ground,
    then the bolt will go thru the both of them
    and be straight into the KS..
    which will have a horizontal mount then..

    thick stock rectangular sawn across at the diagonal.
    matching the angle of that plate in relation to the horizon.

    maybe hardwood would do..
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    See if the local alignment shop that works on trucks has a couple of solid axle camber shims.

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    wedge for double kickstand

    Thanks to everyone....I'm glad the ridiculousness of the situation is not a singular item for my eyes only. Try dealing with it as a heavy bike keeps spinning around and falling on you !! I've decided to cut down the KS..this whole teeter totter thing is driving me bonkers. .of course thats after I fashion a wedge..I figure I can either do that or try and hunt down a plate or two to mount it directly behind the joint but that would waste an almost good monting plate. That solid rubber thing sounds like a feasable part. Of course wood is easy too but the longevity of wood isn't there...that's why I was thinking thick plate aluminum or steel. I'll look up these camber shims ( whatever they are ) a full pic of my bike attached..one can make out that at any given time depending how its loaded with weight one side or the other will be about 4" in the air. so with my battery on the back...the up side is usually the front. To top that off with all these small things cumulatively giving me h--- the conenctors on my bike hub are so senstive they apparantly are too easily jarred that I can;t ride this expensive paperweight.....now i've decide to at least change the connectors type near the hub. where the hell are the heads of these equipment designers???!!!!
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    I thought it would be too short!

    The stand folds up on you? It looks like it's over center in the side picture.
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    wedge for double kickstand

    Yes..is way too long and evidently there is one or two that are made with some level of adjustabilty although that wouldn't solve my fall over problem at this point. If I have to dish out more money i'll put it towards a wedge . after that And yes its fold up at the drop of a hat because there is not enough of a forward tilt as noramlly there would be to prevent flipping up. ( which it does real well )

    Is anyone personally familair with the othe double kickstands and their level of adjusatbility??
    Do they make the same ground clearance as this one does??


    Quote Originally Posted by Booger1 View Post
    I thought it would be too short!

    The stand folds up on you? It looks like it's over center in the side picture.

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    Our double leg kickstands adjust to fit BB height/drops for most bikes with wheels from 24" to 700c/27".

    At first I was a little confused as to what you were describing in terms of a problem. After looking at the photo, I see what you mean. Ideally you want the release angle to be adjustable. I don't know of any kickstand on the market with that feature.

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    Be sure to tell SBI about how dumb their excessively off angled kickstand plate is a PIA
    in the real world.

    the wedge between the KS and the plate, and another wedge under the bolt head,
    which can be a wedge shaped washer..

    surely you can use wood, and modest hand tools to prototype the wedge angle.

    perhaps the importer can be prompted to make a fix for a problem their design team Failed to think thru, and thus created as a result.
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    From the looks of it, that particular globe is not a current product. So in specialized's mind, the problem is fixed.


    It looks like a longer bolt and a bit of wood or alloy shim stock is all that's needed to 'engineer' a solution. I guess a trip to a machine shop for a perfectly angled wedge for top and bottom can be done, if you want to go that route.

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    I'd recommend a ******** two legged stand. You then cut the legs down so your wheel isn't so high in the air. The legs fold to one side, so it makes it so the legs don't want to fold up unless they are up in the air (I lift my bike to fold the kickstand).

    There are some others on the market with adjustable legs. I haven't used those. Looks like your legs are too long for your particular bike and kickstand plate. The kickstand design you have (the sunlite) doesn't allow for cutting the legs down or any other adjustment.

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    Wedge

    Well....for those that held yuor breath waiitng for Specialized to recognize their default....

    Response (Robert Walgamott) 10/04/2010 07:37 AM
    It sounds like perhaps there is some sort a defect in the frame making the mounting plate off angle. Sorry to hear that. We cannot make a fix and send it out to you, however, if you take your bike to a Specialized dealership and show them what is going on, they may be able to fix it or if it is a defect we can send out a new frame. It will all need to go through a Specialized dealership however... hope this information helps!

    Thanks
    Robert Walgamott
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    1475 S. 5070 W. Ste. A
    Salt Lake City, UT 84104
    Phone: 877-808-8154 ext.5467
    Fax: 877-672-7237
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    Translation...we can make a piece of crap because we're dumb asses and get away with it.
    I'm going to have a lark and contact the company I bought it from and see if their customer service
    is any better than the mother company. If they don't come through I think I will have a aloy edge fabricated...I see that it "looks" like Hebie made a similar item for their mounting of a KS.

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    the upright 'lock' requires a swing, past a certain point, and I suspect the sloped plate,
    when the KS is mounted won't stay up so well .. is that so?

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    wedge for double kickstand

    actually there is no problem with the kick up mechanism or having it stay up. It does seem to have a pretty decent spring which can easily be replaced when worn out.





    Quote Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
    the upright 'lock' requires a swing, past a certain point, and I suspect the sloped plate,
    when the KS is mounted won't stay up so well .. is that so?

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    I bought a Pletscher for my touring bike, and it works very well. From one of your first pictures, it looks like you might have room to mount one between the sloped plate and where the seat tube connects. If all other avenues of escape are cut off!

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