Fixed cup wrench for C&V Campy BB cup
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Fixed cup wrench for C&V Campy BB cup
I have three Campagnolo BB wrenches. Each of them has one end that functions on the adjustable cup. The open-end wrench on the other end of each of them is a headset (size) wrench. Why is it that none of these "BB tools" has a wrench end to deal with the fixed cup?
Does Campy, Park or anyone make a BB wrench sized to deal with a C&V Campy BB fixed cup?
Thanks.
Does Campy, Park or anyone make a BB wrench sized to deal with a C&V Campy BB fixed cup?
Thanks.
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1980 Ritchey Road Touring (The Grail Bike)
1982 Tom Ritchey Everest
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1982 Tom Ritchey McKinley (touring pickup truck)
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Does C&V refer to the cups for the traditional square taper cup and cone BB sets, used from the sixties through the nineties?
If so, the 3 tools that Campagnolo sold back then, were as follows,
32mm HS/adj cup pin tool,
32mm HS/lock ring,
15mm pedal/fixed cup.
Others made similar tools in various combinations, but most offered a fixed cup tool at one end.
If you can't find one, I'm sure I have a Campy fixed cup/pedal tool, or a similar tool from either Cobra or Park. PM me if you're interested.
If so, the 3 tools that Campagnolo sold back then, were as follows,
32mm HS/adj cup pin tool,
32mm HS/lock ring,
15mm pedal/fixed cup.
Others made similar tools in various combinations, but most offered a fixed cup tool at one end.
If you can't find one, I'm sure I have a Campy fixed cup/pedal tool, or a similar tool from either Cobra or Park. PM me if you're interested.
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Does the Park HCW-4 fit the Campy fixed cup? Seems like that's what I've used.
It's a 36mm "box" end
It's a 36mm "box" end
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Exactly. I think one of my Campy tools is a dup.
The point is that the open-end wrenches are 32mm. The fixed cup is about a 38mm.
This thing:
What is the normal tool for this? 38mm wrenches are not normally a part of one's standard kit. Guess I can try the auto-parts store...
The point is that the open-end wrenches are 32mm. The fixed cup is about a 38mm.
This thing:
What is the normal tool for this? 38mm wrenches are not normally a part of one's standard kit. Guess I can try the auto-parts store...
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Remeasure and make sure it's not 36mm. I don't recall any other cup tools that I own, and I've removed/installed Campys
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It's definitely a 36mm, and I have tool (36mmFC/pedal) if you're interested. BTW- buy yourself a stack of washers big enough to fit over the spindle and bigger than the cup on the OD. You'll use them to lock the tool to the cup using the spindle bolt. While locking the tool on isn't absolutely necessary, fixed cup tools slipping was a common cause of bike mechanic hand injuries.
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Yes, but hasn't been made for about a decade
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I have three Campagnolo BB wrenches. Each of them has one end that functions on the adjustable cup. The open-end wrench on the other end of each of them is a headset (size) wrench. Why is it that none of these "BB tools" has a wrench end to deal with the fixed cup?
Does Campy, Park or anyone make a BB wrench sized to deal with a C&V Campy BB fixed cup?
Thanks.
Does Campy, Park or anyone make a BB wrench sized to deal with a C&V Campy BB fixed cup?
Thanks.
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Very helpful contribution.
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Thanks to all. I'm ordering the Park tool.
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1982 Tom Ritchey Everest
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1982 Tom Ritchey McKinley (touring pickup truck)
1985 ALAN Record (Glued & Screwed. A gift.)
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* 1971 Gitane Super Corsa (crashed)
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The tool you're missing is this one:
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Absolutely. Someday, I'll get one for the "best tools" box. But, for now, the Park tool will serve my immediate needs.
Thanks for the photo.
Thanks for the photo.
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* 1971 Gitane Super Corsa (crashed)
* rebuilt as upright cruiser
1971 Gitane Super Corsa #2 (sweet replacement)
1980 Ritchey Road Touring (The Grail Bike)
1982 Tom Ritchey Everest
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Hmm. Interesting. Wish I'd found that before I was nearly finished. And, I swear, I searched his site earlier.
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/tooltips/bbcups.html
If starting from scratch. Still, once installed, I can see there could easily be problems in getting the nut/bolt arrangement off.
Ah, well. Next frame...
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/tooltips/bbcups.html
If starting from scratch. Still, once installed, I can see there could easily be problems in getting the nut/bolt arrangement off.
Ah, well. Next frame...
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* 1971 Gitane Super Corsa (crashed)
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1971 Gitane Super Corsa #2 (sweet replacement)
1980 Ritchey Road Touring (The Grail Bike)
1982 Tom Ritchey Everest
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1982 Tom Ritchey McKinley (touring pickup truck)
1985 ALAN Record (Glued & Screwed. A gift.)
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Since the OP mentioned a 'next frame' (and I myself am interested in this), are there any cup & cone bottom brackets with a fixed cup that has something besides wrench flats for its removal? Like maybe the splines that one finds on most cartridge bottom bracket cups? Does anyone offer replacement fixed cups with such designs?
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Since the OP mentioned a 'next frame' (and I myself am interested in this), are there any cup & cone bottom brackets with a fixed cup that has something besides wrench flats for its removal? Like maybe the splines that one finds on most cartridge bottom bracket cups? Does anyone offer replacement fixed cups with such designs?
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That is generally true, but there are also some BB sets that have dual adjustable cups - meaning on each side. These allow for more precise chain line adjustments, too.
But, as noted, cartridge BBs are convenient.
As it is, I like old frames and have a bunch of NOS old-style bottom brackets. But clearly, I was in need of a specific tool! My current project is the first time I've ever had to install a fixed cup. Usually, it is there and cleaned from the inside. Still learning...
But, as noted, cartridge BBs are convenient.
As it is, I like old frames and have a bunch of NOS old-style bottom brackets. But clearly, I was in need of a specific tool! My current project is the first time I've ever had to install a fixed cup. Usually, it is there and cleaned from the inside. Still learning...
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1980 Ritchey Road Touring (The Grail Bike)
1982 Tom Ritchey Everest
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* 1971 Gitane Super Corsa (crashed)
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1980 Ritchey Road Touring (The Grail Bike)
1982 Tom Ritchey Everest
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Fixed Cup Removal Version 3.2
I just did one of these (Campagnolo fixed cup removal) from
a 1978 frame that had been installed with some sort of thread
sealing compound and been in place for 32 years.
You need to refer to:
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ed+cup+removal
and read far enough into it so that you get to
the ingenious idea of using a short 1/2" or 5/8"
hex bolt and nut with washers inside the cup and
outside the tool (large enough to hold it on the cup).
You can then proceed, as did I, to hit the end of the
goddam wrench in the appropriate direction with
a deadblow hammer (if you have one) or something
of a similar nature. This is kind of the poor man's
impact wrench.
Prior to doing any of this, degrease the cup area and
hit it from both sides with PB Blaster (as seen on TV)
and some triflow and let them soak in for 20 or 30
minutes. Patience and fortitude are called for in this
particular operation. For some reason I seem to have
both the Park and the Campagnolo tools for this fixed
cup. Must be indicative of advanced age or senility.
Mike Larmer
a 1978 frame that had been installed with some sort of thread
sealing compound and been in place for 32 years.
You need to refer to:
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ed+cup+removal
and read far enough into it so that you get to
the ingenious idea of using a short 1/2" or 5/8"
hex bolt and nut with washers inside the cup and
outside the tool (large enough to hold it on the cup).
You can then proceed, as did I, to hit the end of the
goddam wrench in the appropriate direction with
a deadblow hammer (if you have one) or something
of a similar nature. This is kind of the poor man's
impact wrench.
Prior to doing any of this, degrease the cup area and
hit it from both sides with PB Blaster (as seen on TV)
and some triflow and let them soak in for 20 or 30
minutes. Patience and fortitude are called for in this
particular operation. For some reason I seem to have
both the Park and the Campagnolo tools for this fixed
cup. Must be indicative of advanced age or senility.
Mike Larmer
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Hmm. Interesting. Wish I'd found that before I was nearly finished. And, I swear, I searched his site earlier.
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/tooltips/bbcups.html
If starting from scratch. Still, once installed, I can see there could easily be problems in getting the nut/bolt arrangement off.
Ah, well. Next frame...
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/tooltips/bbcups.html
If starting from scratch. Still, once installed, I can see there could easily be problems in getting the nut/bolt arrangement off.
Ah, well. Next frame...
Kroil is superior to PBlaster, though PBlaster's container is far more entertaining to read.
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I've used this method, and You're right--once you get the bolt/washer/fixed cup/nut removed from the bike, you've tightened it all down so much that they're effectively bound together. The only way I was able to get those nuts/bolts off was by re-attaching the fixed cup back on the frame and reversing the process. Perhaps using a vise and a big wrench would work, but I have no vise at my disposal, unfortunately.
Kroil is superior to PBlaster, though PBlaster's container is far more entertaining to read.
Kroil is superior to PBlaster, though PBlaster's container is far more entertaining to read.
-rob
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That is generally true, but there are also some BB sets that have dual adjustable cups - meaning on each side. These allow for more precise chain line adjustments, too.
But, as noted, cartridge BBs are convenient.
As it is, I like old frames and have a bunch of NOS old-style bottom brackets. But clearly, I was in need of a specific tool! My current project is the first time I've ever had to install a fixed cup. Usually, it is there and cleaned from the inside. Still learning...
But, as noted, cartridge BBs are convenient.
As it is, I like old frames and have a bunch of NOS old-style bottom brackets. But clearly, I was in need of a specific tool! My current project is the first time I've ever had to install a fixed cup. Usually, it is there and cleaned from the inside. Still learning...
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I, too, am not sure why anyone would want to go to the old school BBs when the after-market fixed cartridge ones are so cheap and user friendly. Those old-style bottom brackets seem to give out after a lot of use...I've had three different 1980's bicycles in which those bottom brackets went bad and needed replacing...I stuck a new after-market BB in my 1987 Trek 400 about 6,000 miles ago and it's still working well.
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A high quality cup-and-cone bottom bracket will last indefinitely with regular maintenance. A person may find this preferable to a modern disposable cartridge unit for a number of reasons, particularly if the frame has odd threading for which reasonably priced cartridge units are not readily available.
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A high quality cup-and-cone bottom bracket will last indefinitely with regular maintenance. A person may find this preferable to a modern disposable cartridge unit for a number of reasons, particularly if the frame has odd threading for which reasonably priced cartridge units are not readily available.
to it. Certainly the time and place in which I live
seems to give it little credence.
Personally, I look forward to inflatable, single
use bicycles (no doubt made from some sort
of carbon fiber/plastic composite) that we will
all (those of of left standing in the first world
anyway) be able to buy from vending machines.
Weight weenies of the future will doubtless
fill the suckers with helium.
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