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    Suntour Barcons on 9 speed?

    I was thinking that vintage Suntour Barcons can run on a modern 9 speed system. It would have to be run as friction though right? I sure hope so. or I'll be

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    It will almost definitely work. The only problem that I can think of would be if you are trying to use a Sram 1:1 mtb derailleur as they require a lot of cable pull and might behave a little funny with a standard shifter.

    Any other derailleur will work perfectly with your friction shifters.

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    If you measure most cassettes the difference between the first and last chainring will be similar, it's the spacers between the rings that vary. My 8spd ultegra was about the same as my 10spd DA.
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    getting #9 in a space for 8, thins out the gap between cogs.

    Hyperglide tooth profiles are eager to shift early.

    Even wide spaced 6 speeds are willing to jump,
    with the side of the cog shift ramps lifting the chain quite readily.

    I liked older freewheel tooth profile for friction shifting ,
    because the chain stayed put, until moved off with a slight overshift
    and pull back to re center the pulley over the cog.
    but the designers dropped that .

    I'm using the IG hub drivetrain bikes most these days..
    Last edited by fietsbob; 03-25-11 at 02:47 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fas2c View Post
    I was thinking that vintage Suntour Barcons can run on a modern 9 speed system. It would have to be run as friction though right? I sure hope so. or I'll be
    OK- assuming they're indexing Barcons and not older Power Ratchet Barcons, they're designed to pull a derailleur across a 7-speed freewheel, which is 32.4mm* from first to last cog. A 9-speed cassette is 36.5mm* , so your arrangement will need to move the derailleur an additional 4mm, plus whatever wiggle room is needed to make the shift. In other words, it might work, it might not. I think it'll work- in friction mode.

    *reference: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/cribsheet-spacing.html
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    Well that is good news if it does. It is shifting an Ultegra cassette with Shimano 105 RD.

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    I'm shifting a old Deore deer head derailliuer with vintage '84 SunTour ratchet barcons on a Shimano 9 speed cassette, works great!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr IGH View Post
    I'm shifting a old Deore deer head derailliuer with vintage '84 SunTour ratchet barcons on a Shimano 9 speed cassette, works great!
    That is great to know! Very good, makes me happy Was it hard to tweak or was it pretty easy?

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    I adjusted the limited screws just like any set up. Plenty-o-throw, plenty-o-pull, takes a bit of a deft hand. I'm not racing crits or sucking wheels so it works fine for me. Gets my retro on with lots gears for cheap. (Tiagra clusters rule!)

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    Right On! That is what I wanted to hear! I'm excited

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    Quote Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
    getting #9 in a space for 8, thins out the gap between cogs.

    Hyperglide tooth profiles are eager to shift early.

    Even wide spaced 6 speeds are willing to jump,
    with the side of the cog shift ramps lifting the chain quite readily.

    I liked older freewheel tooth profile for friction shifting ,
    because the chain stayed put, until moved off with a slight overshift
    and pull back to re center the pulley over the cog.
    but the designers dropped that .

    I'm using the IG hub drivetrain bikes most these days..
    They dropped that because it won't work with indexed shifting. Index derailers must shift early. I detest Campy NR/SR because of that late shifting and readjustment after every shift, but some oldtimers like it because they're used to it. I'm an oldtimer, but I never got used to it. I find it especially annoying with Barcons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr IGH View Post
    I adjusted the limited screws just like any set up. Plenty-o-throw, plenty-o-pull, takes a bit of a deft hand. I'm not racing crits or sucking wheels so it works fine for me. Gets my retro on with lots gears for cheap. (Tiagra clusters rule!)
    I've seen some set ups where the barcons won't pull through the 9 speeds and some where they barely make it to 10 with limit screws all the way out. I guess it depends on shifter/derailleur combo. I've heard a lot of people say that friction shifting on >8 speed clusters gets a little twitchy. A few have said that it's actually really nice because the chain is less likely to sit inbetween 2 gears. Something to keep in mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puget Pounder View Post
    I've seen some set ups where the barcons won't pull through the 9 speeds and some where they barely make it to 10 with limit screws all the way out. I guess it depends on shifter/derailleur combo. I've heard a lot of people say that friction shifting on >8 speed clusters gets a little twitchy. A few have said that it's actually really nice because the chain is less likely to sit inbetween 2 gears. Something to keep in mind.
    Do recall that plenty of bikes come stock with bar end shifters (with friction modes) and 9 speed clusters and have no trouble. In fact, every bar end shifter made (Except the new 10 speeds, or so I've heard) have a friction mode, that should say enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuzz2050 View Post
    Do recall that plenty of bikes come stock with bar end shifters (with friction modes) and 9 speed clusters and have no trouble. In fact, every bar end shifter made (Except the new 10 speeds, or so I've heard) have a friction mode, that should say enough.
    Yes, but we are also talking about Barcons (, SunTour), which pre-date friction/index combo bar end shifters to the extent of 5 speed clusters, so it isn't that obvious. They don't seem to pull as much as more modern shifters, so it is something to watch out for.

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    I have an old pair of Barcons (power ratchets) driving a 7 speed cassette with no problems and a lot of extra travel. I will be trying a 9 speed cassette eventually.
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