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Old 04-03-11, 07:04 AM
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All of my bike stands were purchased USED, off Craigs List. If you are patient, you will find a good Parks stand for about half of new or less. And no shipping.

I currently have the PRS-2 stand. Overkill for home use, but I worked my way up to it. Bought it from a guy that had closed his bike shop.
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Originally Posted by kamtsa
I also use the Ultimate Pro Elite and am very happy with it. Solid, folds and it came with a nice bag.
Nice to hear that. I just picked up a used Ultimate (not sure if it's the same model) for $65 and have yet to try it out. In fact, it's still in the bag! The clamp looked a little odd, to me. Have you had any issues with it?
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Originally Posted by pmt
Well, yeah, pulling the seatpost just to work on the bike is silly. With a PRS-20 style, you drop off the front wheel, pop it on the stand and it's strong and stable. Try torquing a bottom bracket on a seatpost-clamp stand. Have fun with that!
I've been using a clamp type stand since the early 90s. Back when you had to deal with fixed cups which made servicing of a bottom bracket much more difficult than today. It's never been a problem.

I have, as I indicated, used stands that require removal of the front wheel. They make working on certain parts of the bike much more difficult. Try removing the headset while having to clamp the fork...Have fun with that!

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It is not a problem doing headset work on a Euro-style work stand, you just clamp the frame to the stand at the bottom bracket and the rear dropouts instead of the fork. One could even argue that the Euro style stand is better when it comes to headset work, since the frame will remain stable even if you apply pressure to the crown tube; clamp style works stands tends to become wobbly when the frame is clamped at the seat post, but pressure is applied to the crown tube.

There is in fact a lot of good to be said about such stands compared to tall clamp-style work stands; they keep the bike very stable and well aligned. They keeps the handlebar stable. Allows easy access to both sides of the bikes, by eg, rotating the stand/bike. You can't crush the frame or seat post by accident and don't need to swap out the seat post. They are usually lighter and more compact than clamp style stands, which is useful for traveling or stowing away.

I am not claiming overall superiority, just that the principle behind the Euro style stand is very sound, and that they work well for all kinds of bike related work.

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You still have to remove a wheel to put the bike in a stand. Removing a seat post to work on the bike is much easier than removing a wheel, especially a rear wheel. That is if you even have to remove the seatpost.

Look at what shops use. I've never run across a shop that didn't have a clamp style stand.
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you guys wont see me working on bikes with a euro style stand. no way
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i use bungee cords hung from a gas pipe chinup bar. it's not ideal.

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Old 04-04-11, 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by cyccommute
I have, as I indicated, used stands that require removal of the front wheel. They make working on certain parts of the bike much more difficult. Try removing the headset while having to clamp the fork...Have fun with that!
The PRS-20 style stands have a skewer for the rear dropouts, so it's no trouble to work on the front end.



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You still have to remove a wheel to put the bike in a stand. Removing a seat post to work on the bike is much easier than removing a wheel, especially a rear wheel. That is if you even have to remove the seatpost.
If removing and reinstalling a wheel is harder for you than removing and correctly reinstalling a seatpost, you need to improve your mechanic skills.

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Look at what shops use. I've never run across a shop that didn't have a clamp style stand.
Look at what the pro teams use. All bottom-bracket support stands.

The bottom line here is that those who haven't ever used a modern bottom-bracket/PRS-20 stand for any time will never agree that they're better technology. They're stuck in the past with clamp stands. These threads come up from time to time and I guess they're just pointless.
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Originally Posted by pmt
The PRS-20 style stands have a skewer for the rear dropouts, so it's no trouble to work on the front end.
I doubt that it is any trouble to work on the front end, however it is much more hassle to do it. You have to remove the rear wheel, mount it in the stand and clamp it to the dropout vs holding the bike in one hand and clamping it in the stand. I can also make many adjustments to different parts of the bike without having to remove wheels to do so. If I need to adjust brakes, I can do both at the same time. If I want to lube the chain, I can also check the headset if I need to. If I find that I need to do something to both wheels, I can drop them both at the same time without having to reposition the bike. The clamp is much more convenient.

Remember, I have tried the other method. I wasn't impressed.

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If removing and reinstalling a wheel is harder for you than removing and correctly reinstalling a seatpost, you need to improve your mechanic skills.
No need to get snippy. However, the same could be said about your issue. There is nothing difficult about installing a seat post. In fact, it's probably simpler than reinstalling a wheel. I doubt that you could crush a carbon post in a clamp stand unless the tension on the spring is set very, very tight. Seatposts have a much smaller diameter than frame tubes.

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Look at what the pro teams use. All bottom-bracket support stands.
Pro teams use all kind of stuff. I'm not particularly impressed with that comparison. And look where they are using them...out in the field. What do shops use? Clamp stands...in a shop That's much closer to what the non-Pro rider might need at home.

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The bottom line here is that those who haven't ever used a modern bottom-bracket/PRS-20 stand for any time will never agree that they're better technology. They're stuck in the past with clamp stands. These threads come up from time to time and I guess they're just pointless.
The PRS-20 isn't 'modern'. I had a Minoura that was essentially the same design (without the ability to clamp the rear wheel) in the 1980s. I have used the bottom-bracket stand. It's not superior in any way.
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Originally Posted by pmt


If removing and reinstalling a wheel is harder for you than removing and correctly reinstalling a seatpost, you need to improve your mechanic skills.

not that it is particularity harder but removing wheels is too slow and inefficient
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I bought this one: https://www.feedbacksports.com/produc...air_stand.aspx and love the thing...very easy to adjust and so compact.
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I bought this one: https://www.feedbacksports.com/produc...air_stand.aspx and love the thing...very easy to adjust and so compact.

+1 on the Feed Back I love mine.
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I wish Feedback used Allen bolts rather than slotted bolts in its clamps. Mine is hard to get tight enough to keep the bike from slipping down. I'll replace it sometime or try loctite.

For the seat post, consider swapping your carbon one for aluminum. You won't notice any difference in ride quality.
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Originally Posted by echo2011
I bought this one: https://www.feedbacksports.com/produc...air_stand.aspx and love the thing...very easy to adjust and so compact.
That's the one I have as well, it has been great!

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I wish Feedback used Allen bolts rather than slotted bolts in its clamps. Mine is hard to get tight enough to keep the bike from slipping down. I'll replace it sometime or try loctite.
Does yours not have the thumbscrews for the telescoping part?
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No, mine is the Pro Ultralight.
https://www.feedbacksports.com/produc...air_stand.aspx

I just sent an email to Feedback to see if they have a better bolt.

Update:
Sammy at Feedback helped out.
There's a locking mechanism between the clamp and the shim.
I removed the bolt and rotated the clamp until it locked into place.
Tightened it down and now it holds like a champ.

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Originally Posted by AChristie
I wish Feedback used Allen bolts rather than slotted bolts in its clamps. Mine is hard to get tight enough to keep the bike from slipping down. I'll replace it sometime or try loctite.

For the seat post, consider swapping your carbon one for aluminum. You won't notice any difference in ride quality.
I hate to get off topic, but I made the swap from aluminum to carbon seatpost on a Cannondale 2.8 frame (before the CAADs) and I noticed a significant improvement in reduction of "butt buzz". Same thing with the fork.

Back on track: I just ordered a Feedback stand and am curious as to what you mean by slotted bolts.
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I just meant a bolt that uses a regular screwdriver to tighten it on the clamp.
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got a feedback sports mechanic stand. I think it is much nicer and far more portable than a PCS-10 stand I was borrowing off a friend.
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got a feedback sports mechanic stand. I think it is much nicer and far more portable than a PCS-10 stand I was borrowing off a friend.
That's great to hear. That is the one I ordered, it should be here in a day or two. I'm pretty excited.
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I have a PCS-10 and love it. It's a solid, sturdy stand for sure. Anything short of shoulder checking it, it's not toppling over with your bike, even when spinning through the gears. I have a 31 pound Sojourn, working on it with the stand all the way up it's still rock solid. Cheapest price I found anywhere was treefortbikes.com, around $125.

I almost bought the PCS-20. What a pain it would have been to remove a wheel every time I wanted to put my bike in the stand! Sure, it's not like dropping a wheel out of the bike is as much of a hassle as building a wheel, but it's still a hassle. One extra step you won't have to take. I have disc brakes that get adjusted every time the bike is in the stand. It's nice to have both of the wheels mounted at once to get that done.

Plus if you have something quick to do you can just leave the clamp open horizontally, balance the top tube on it, do your thing and go.
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Originally Posted by AChristie
No, mine is the Pro Ultralight.
https://www.feedbacksports.com/produc...air_stand.aspx

I just sent an email to Feedback to see if they have a better bolt.

Update:
Sammy at Feedback helped out.
There's a locking mechanism between the clamp and the shim.
I removed the bolt and rotated the clamp until it locked into place.
Tightened it down and now it holds like a champ.
Good to hear

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got a feedback sports mechanic stand. I think it is much nicer and far more portable than a PCS-10 stand I was borrowing off a friend.
I have to agree about the portability, which is a big reason I got the same stand over the Park Tools one since I don't have a garage to keep it in, but do have a small shed to keep it in (along with the bikes). Not to mention that it stands on a tripod so I can use it in the backyard or other uneven surfaces and it is nice and stable.
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