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    Too many spacers? - Cinelli Experience build

    I just got the carbon spacer set this morning, so for the first time, I was able to install the front wheel, bars and stem.

    To get the saddle to bar drop I am comfy with, here is how I would have to set up the bike. 4.25cm of spacers, stem flipped up. Is this too much? The frame is an XL, with an alloy steerer and I need 81cm of saddle height (measured saddle top to BB center). So, I have long legs and an average top. Any larger frame, and the top tube would be too long.

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    IMO you have too many spacers. I prefer to keep the stack below 2.5cm, but I'm more conservative in this regard than many others.

    Either way, you'll probably be OK because the stem has relatively short extension, limiting the amount of leverage you'll have on the fork. You're in a gray area and maybe the deciding factor is how you ride, If you're a herd climber or sprinter, who works against the bar a lot, you might want to shorten the stack. OTOH, if your a spinner, riding good roads and don't work the bars hard, you're probably fine.
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    I bought this frame to try and get less saddle to bar drop than my '03 De Rosa Merak. Maybe the Merak (which is maxed out due to the carbon steerer) is better suited to me than this Cinelli??

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    These days with sloping top tubes being totally acceptable, your best option would have been a sloping top tube bike who's higher head height would reduce the need for too many spacers.

    But since you already own the Cinelli, keep it as is for now. If you ever need a new stem, look for one with a high angle like 73/17° which will give you 34° rise when inverted. And if you need a new bike, shop for one with a higher head height.
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    I actually removed a spacer, and measured that I only have a 2" saddle to bar drop. I have 4" on the De Rosa. So, like you said, I'll try the Cinelli with the less than perfect 3.5cm stack height. With my freakish longer leggs, it might be the best I can hope for in a $600 frame.
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    Why spend serious dough and still ride a bike that doesn't fit right?

    You've already spent the $600, but I don't think you should have to live with anything less than what is the most comfortable or efficient bar height. Not that 7mm is a killer difference, but if you find you prefer a higher bar, consider an inverted high angle stem.

    You can use Habanero Cycles stem angle/rise chart to see if a stem change makes sense for you.
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    My other vintage Cinelli is a 63.5cm with a 59cm top tube. With a 90mm stem, it fits great, probably because there is not much saddle to bar drop.

    Most modern frames have much longer top tubes than the vintage frames. So to get a stock frame with a high head tube, with a shortish top tube is pretty hard. Seems I do best with a 57cm top tube, and 110mm stem. Not an easy frame to find today.
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    I think you should ride like it is and see how it feels. the make adjustments.

    if your riding a 63cm steel bike these look like they may be small
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    I'll definitely ride it before deciding. The 63cm bikes were given to me by my uncle. My true size is usually 60-61cm. So far, on my trainer, this Cinelli seems comfy! Stay tuned. And thanks.
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    FBinNY's recommended 2.5 cm limit for spacers stack height is what makers of 1" carbon steerer forks typically recommend.

    With 1-1/8" carbon steerers you have a bit more latitude. The shortest recommended maximum spacer stack I've seen with a 1-1/8" steerer is 4 cm and Easton allows 5 cm even on their lightest all-carbon forks.

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    Casual riding may put less stress on things, and so keep the thing
    from being over stressed .

    Maybe you can sleeve inside the carbon steerer with a metal tube
    for backup .. reinforcing..?

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    The good news is the fork is carbon, with alloy steerer, which is why I bought the Cinelli (knowing I could add more spacers).
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyK View Post
    The good news is the fork is carbon, with alloy steerer, which is why I bought the Cinelli (knowing I could add more spacers).
    It would have been nice to know that from the beginning as most of the replies assumed it was a carbon steerer. Now, pretty much the sky's the limit. I don't think I'd use 10 cm of spacers even with an alloy or steel steerer but the 2.5 or 5 cm limits aren't an issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HillRider View Post
    It would have been nice to know that from the beginning as most of the replies assumed it was a carbon steerer...
    ...except there are pictures clearly showing a metallic steerer through a hole in the stem...

    5cm of spacers is not a problem on a alloy steerer unless the manufacturer explicitly states a limit for spacers.

    Another option would be a stem with a little more rise. Did you ever try swapping the stem to a higher rise one on the DeRosa? Or flipping that one to positive rise?

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    The De Rosa is just too small, and putting a wacky MTB type stem wouldn't look right. The Cinelli works with 3.5cm of spacers, I think!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LarDasse74 View Post
    ...except there are pictures clearly showing a metallic steerer through a hole in the stem...
    True but most of us missed it until you pointed it out.

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    Sorry I assumed everyone would know the makeup of a Cinelli Experience fork and steerer! My original question wasn't one of safety, as in, is it safe to use this many spacers. I just wanted to know if the need for so many spacers meant the frame wasn't right for me.

    Here it is with the reduced spacers. I think it will work this way comfort-wise, without looking too spaced-out. These sloping top tubes and "virtual" reach really confuse the hell out of me when setting the bike up! I'll cut the steerer when I'm sure the setup works.

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    In my opinion it is ok. What you can do to make it look better is to change the upper cup for a coned shaped one instead of the flat one u have not, that will allow you use less spacers because u get like 1 cm from the cup.

    Any you are pretty tall, if the frames fit you i don't see anything wrong using those spacers.

    Take care.

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    My impression [owning just some of the spacers], is a Cane Creek Interlok head set and spacers
    make a quite nice interlocking combination.
    that would by their functioning like a whole act like a sleeve from the top bearing
    to the underside of the stem.

    Make the fit comfortable, leave the spacers above the stem, so you can change your mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
    Make the fit comfortable, leave the spacers above the stem, so you can change your mind.
    Good advice. I plan on getting a taller top cap to replace my hiddenset's non-existant top cap. That will mean I can reduce the spacers, still having my comfy setup including plenty of steerer left. As I was about to set up my brake and shifter cables and cable housings, I stopped before my first housing cut, and stuck in one more spacer, just in case. I can always trim the cables and housings, but can't make them longer if I change my spacing!
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    Me thinks that when decent money comes along in the future, you are a candidate for a custom built steel frame from a local frame builder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrrabbit View Post
    Me thinks that when decent money comes along in the future, you are a candidate for a custom built steel frame from a local frame builder.

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    Maybe if a bigger house with a bigger garage comes along! At this point I own 4 bikes, my wife has 1, and my kids have 2. Although, I could keep that custom made steel frame in my living room! IF the Cinelli doesn't work out...
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