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Old 04-09-11, 04:16 PM   #1
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What's worse than Lawyer Lips?

What's worse than Lawyer Lips?

Inboard lawyer lips !!! So not only do you have unscrew your QR a ways but you also have to spread your fork to get the dang wheel out!

I've never seen this before today when I started removing useful parts from a dumpster find MTB. It's a Triton Baron, or I guess it could be a Baron Triton, who knows?

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A face plant at speed when your disc brake wheel walks its way,
out of the front fork.
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Old 04-09-11, 04:35 PM   #3
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A face plant when a friend doesn't know the proper way to use a skewer.
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Theres an interesting physics thing. when the torque centers around the Disc Brake caliper
and the axle swings around that new torque center
and out of the dropout.

Innovative builders have made forward opening dropouts, and just putting the caliper on
the front of the right blade, to cure that.

Mass market sticks with the usual stuff..

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You can have the fork for cost of shipping if you'd like it fietsbob. Sorry, not disc. Drilled for centerpull/sidepull calipers. 1" threaded, 26" wheel. Oh you can have the wacky centerpull brake that's hanging on it also.

It could make an awesome practical joke fork - Will confound many who have never seen an inboard lawyer lips setup before.

Oh you can also pick it up if you're ever in the Portland Metro...

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you also have to spread your fork to get the dang wheel out!
You had to do that on some old Raleigh roadsters, IIRC.
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Old 04-09-11, 07:25 PM   #8
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You had to do that on some old Raleigh roadsters, IIRC.
Indeed. Drove me crazy back in my bike shop days.

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"Lawyer butts!"
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Some minor work with a file will get rid of the annoyance.

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Some minor work with a file will get rid of the annoyance.
Yeah, I've got a growing collection of lawyer lipped forks. I should break out the angle grinder on them one of these days. Probably won't bother with the fork in question, the bike's too cheap for me to really want to ride. The Acera-hubbed wheelset is useful, and I think I'll use the stem for a trailer project, but that's about it.
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My '66 Raleigh DL-1 has them on both sides. And it doesn't even have a QR wheel.
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One other thing worse than lawyer lips, IMO, tabbed washer wheel retention setups. Uggh!

Hmmm, well maybe not as bad. As soon as you toss the washers, then problem solved.
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One other thing worse than lawyer lips, IMO, tabbed washer wheel retention setups. Uggh!

Hmmm, well maybe not as bad. As soon as you toss the washers, then problem solved.
I have a couple of 90s BMX bikes that have a more annoying version of that. They use a spacer that looks like a top hat washer. Without the spacer, the axle just floats around in the enlarged part of the dropout slot. It's nigh impossible to keep the wheel straight, while tightening the axle nuts, without those spacers. They don't seem to be a commonly available part, either. Thankfully, I know of two different online stores that carry them.
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I have a couple of 90s BMX bikes that have a more annoying version of that. They use a spacer that looks like a top hat washer. Without the spacer, the axle just floats around in the enlarged part of the dropout slot. It's nigh impossible to keep the wheel straight, while tightening the axle nuts, without those spacers. They don't seem to be a commonly available part, either. Thankfully, I know of two different online stores that carry them.
The BMX version of that is tough to find, but that style was ubiquitous on Schwinn bikes with forged forks and 5/16" diameter axles. Every new Schwinn bike I worked on had some sort of wheel retention device, whether the wheel was bolt-on or quick-release.
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I have a very serviceable 1" threaded Tange sloping cast crown
chromed chromoly mountain bike fork on my winter bike now ,

.. Lester, so you need to find another buyer, for that which does not satisfy you.

I suppose this is pre 'I wasn't thinking and hurt myself,
but I hired a personal injury lawyer, who works
for a % of the settlement payout', days,

as it's forged tips have no lips.

If you have some rapid mid race wheel change requirements, Les,
another fork will probably be more to your liking . or hire the dropouts to be replaced,
by a brazing equipment owner..

or quick and easy .. you could just add a washer in the cavity,
then cut an opening in the washer..

> problem >...> solution

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Some minor work with a file will get rid of the annoyance.
Where do you file the lawyer to get rid of the annoyance?
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It's called getting them dis barred .. have to show cause.
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