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    Centre kick stand installation

    Hi i bought this on ebay and thought it was easy but it looked different to i imagined. I tried to look for a youtube video but nothing. I looked at it and there are two possibles but i have only seen centre kick stands on motor cycles in my life and i didn't pay much attanetion. I have an ebike and it is so heavy i need this instea of the back wheel kick stand which is very unsteady. Does anyone have a tutoria;l or video?

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    if it what I am picturing it installs just like normal kickstand. can you ost a few pics?
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    If you can fit it, will be dependant on having enough space between the BB and rear tire, bike frame material, stand design etc, so may variables, as Bianchigirll, pics are needed for this, of both the stand, and the BB area of the bike it is to be fitted to.

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    Here is a couple of pic of the kickstand. It is different. It sort of had a folded part and then when you roll the bike backwards it extends. I have seen this but it was so long ago I don't know which side of the stand goes into place. Both sides are so different.98.jpg97.jpg99.jpg01.jpg

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    The shiny small bracket in the top right corner of your 2 first pics- you can ignore that. Your frame already have a welded-in plate to do that job.
    So basically you drop a bolt from the top through the hole in the plate that's pretty much centered in your 3rd pic, hold the kickstand so that the threaded hole at the top of the rectangular bit line up with the bolt and screw it in. The ends of the legs of the stand should face towards the rear.

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    So when the kick stand is bent is it pointed to the rear of the bike? Well i attached it pointing towards the back but it is too close to the chain. What should i do about that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rapattack View Post
    So when the kick stand is bent is it pointed to the rear of the bike?
    Yeah, the "ride" position should have the prongs pointing towards the back. The prongs pointing forward when riding might otherwise cause a nasty accident if they should ever drop unintentionally. Pointing back, all they can do is drag along.

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    Well i attached it pointing towards the back but it is too close to the chain. What should i do about that?
    There's really no way of telling w/o seeing how bad the problem is. Otherwise, just b/c something will fit a majority of bikes isn't a guarantee that it'll fit all bikes. Yours might just end up being the odd one out.

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    Hi well i tried both ways and pointing forwards is the way this unit works i think. Seems wrong but i remember in the ebay listing they said it was for ebikes with heavy batteries and the battery is at the back. And they said that it would lift the back wheel. Even with the chain slightly against it i put it on the way you said and it lifted the front of the bike ...the wheel. Put on this way it lifts the back wheel now. I just gotta figure out how to tighten the damn thing as the bolt is in such a small space.
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    OOps just looked at the listing http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI....=STRK:MEWNX:IT
    I was wrong. Might have to think what i can put there in between the plate and the kick stand so it goes higher. Will try tomorrow as it is freezing outside.

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    there might be a way to adjust the stop so that it doesn't fold up so much and interfere with your crank and chainline. You have somewhat of an unusual bike and that is why you are having fitment problems.

    The stand is supposed to fold to the rear. Having it fold forwards may be a safety issue if it hits something on the road. If you can't figure out how to modify the stand so that it doesn't fold up to far for your bike and hit the chain or the chainwheel you might need to take it to your LBS which might be able to help. It just might be that this stand is not going to work with your bike. Not all "universal" stands are going to work in every situation. Bikes are all so different and your's is pretty different.
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    Yeah i will try to figure out something tomorrow as it is too cold to be out right now. I think i can fit something in there. Been looking through my toolbox.
    The local bike stores are always too busy as bikes are a huge thing where i live so 5 minute questions is all i can get in. They don't even like to spend that much time.
    Yeah my bike is bits of all sorts of things he he. I am happy with the sturdiness of this stand though and it may have a way to adjust its 'bend'. Thanks for all the advice everyone. Will report back after some Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz. :0)

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    Quote Originally Posted by rapattack View Post
    .. pointing forwards is the way this unit works
    In this case, I wouldn't follow those instructions. If the stand was to come down while riding it'd be a surefire recipe for a nasty accident.

    And if you look at the text: "Role the bike forward and the stand flips up out of the way for riding." Rolling the bike forward will fold the stand backwards.

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    .....they said that it would lift the back wheel.
    Making such a claim is just patently silly. Different bikes will have different center-of-gravity, not only depending on design but also depending on load configuration.

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    ... Even with the chain slightly against it ..it lifted the front of the bike
    Front or rear wheel of the ground isn't an issue, unless you were really looking forward to the ease-of-maintenance thing. But dragging against the chain should be avoided.

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    ... I just gotta figure out how to tighten the damn thing as the bolt is in such a small space.
    A socket wrench is your friend in such a situation.

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    Yes your right it is meant to fold backwards.
    Ah so they made a silly statement saying that it lifts the back wheel...hmmmm.

    OK i understand i shouldn't have the chain against the kick stand.
    Ah so that is what that things is called. I always wondered. I have seen many socket wrenchs but never had the chance to ask :0)
    Well i did try a few times the other day with this stand and i am not getting anywhere. I can't think of how to make it work. I ended up going to the bike store i originally bought my bike from and the guy said this stand is not for my bike,. He offered to buy it. It seems like it is pretty good quality. He was rushing to go overseas that day so when he gets back he may buy it forom me. I am just annoyed that no one sells them here that i can find. The guy seemed to think the bike stand i have is ok but he doesn't understand it doesn't take the weight really well of my new heavier batteries. I also don't have really good concentration and the bike keeps falling on me. I have so many brusises(medical) because of this and just general stuff. I hate being so bruised up and it does hurt a bit. Ah well i will keep cycling anyway. Maybe i will find another stand one day that is better :0)

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    Quote Originally Posted by rapattack View Post
    Ah so they made a silly statement saying that it lifts the back wheel...hmmmm.
    Yeah. A stand like that will basically make your bike act like a teeter totter / seesaw. And they're claiming to be able to tell, beforehand, not seeing the bike, which will be the heavy end. Good luck with that. Still, unless you're really keen to be able to spin the rear wheel while parked, there isn't much advantage/disadvantage either way.

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    ..i shouldn't have the chain against the kick stand.
    Why don't you post a pic on how the stand lines up and interferes with the chain? Maybe there's a tweak available that can fix it?

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    ...the guy said this stand is not for my bike... He offered to buy it.
    Go for it. If it doesn't do what you wanted it to do, better to recover as much of your losses as possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by rapattack View Post
    ...the guy said this stand is not for my bike
    Just b/c it fits most bikes doesn't mean it fits all bikes..

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    . I am just annoyed that no one sells them here that i can find.
    You've gotta remember that heavily loaded bikes are fairly rare. Not many people do utility minded riding.

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    . Maybe i will find another stand one day that is better
    There's a type that bolts on to both ends of the rear axle, and folds down like a big hurdle. Unless it'll mess with your trailer arrangement that might do the trick for you.

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    Yeah i fitted the stand on both ways and it was stable. Had no problem with it moving at all.
    Ok will post pics when i can. Thing have gotten extra busy as there is a seriously ill member of the family that may pass away anytime plus i have locked and covered the bike. Very cold nights here now.
    Yes i might take him up on the offer but he is away for maybe two months? On a holiday...so got time for maybe another solution..
    Yeah i wanted this stand because even the stand that is on the bike is not stable enough for me. I wanted something better and that was with the ordinary batteries that came with the bike. Plus my medical condition makes it hard as i am not very strong.
    Yes i had another ebike that was faulty that had a stand like what you describe. Have not seen one of those stands anywhere since or before, That faulty ebike was returned to the idiot ebayer and i eventually got my money back. I keep scouring ebay but nothing.

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    Something like this: might work for you.

    Or maybe this: is a better option.

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    Yeah now that i think about it i might have seen a stand like that. Two problems. One delivery to Australia would be terrible. The other is that fixing it onto the back would be bad. Removal of the back wheel is complicated and my not being too strong it would be hard. I did a bike maintenance course that was free offered by the local council and the guy looked at my bike and said something about the difficulty but it was more the look on his face. I think he was not used to ebikes. Well i might meet someone that has that sort of expertise in the future. Will just be open to what happens.

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    A lot of bicyclists find motorized bikes to be an abomination. It's just the way it is. I have mixed feelings about them myself. They are a threat to the human-powered future that many activists hold dear.
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    Yeah but i am disabled. I have a reason. Not everyone is lazy. I must admit iwhen i went to talk to the dude that sold me my bike last week a guy walked in and was looking over the ebikes and he asked about mine while the guy was doing something else. He said staight out that he was lazy. My feeling was gee mate ...i looked at him and i thought you need to get a normal bike you lazy bastard. Your going to die from your ignorance

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    Quote Originally Posted by rapattack View Post
    Yeah but i am disabled. I have a reason. Not everyone is lazy. I must admit iwhen i went to talk to the dude that sold me my bike last week a guy walked in and was looking over the ebikes and he asked about mine while the guy was doing something else. He said staight out that he was lazy. My feeling was gee mate ...i looked at him and i thought you need to get a normal bike you lazy bastard. Your going to die from your ignorance
    I am all about the freedom to ride (or drive) whatever one wishes. I'm no anti-car anti-IC nutcase (although the bicycle world is full of these Luddites). I'm a long-time motorcyclist with nothing against motorized 2-wheel travel.

    But I do have mixed feelings about motorized bicycles as they tend to blur the line a bit and can be easily abused and ridden where only human-powered vehicles should be allowed to go. In some places motorized and non-motorized vehicles should not mix. Motorized bicycles are a gray area and is a potential problem in bike-only infrastructure.
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    Well being one of the people in the grey area i need to ride and get around. I am not in a wheel chair as that is not the type of disability i have. I understand to a point what your saying but normal cyclists pass me because even on the ebike i am super slow. I so slow cars beep me in alleyways where you expect you can take a shortcut without anyone coming up the back of you. One lady witha pram got annoyed when she witnessed this one day and yelled at the driver for beeping me lol

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    It sounds like you are not part of the problem. But the ebikes do get abused by some people who zoom down the bike lanes like maniacs and some riders really hate them for it. And even if it doesn't happen very much many bike activists get offended by the mere possibility that they might be used this way. It's just the way many of them "feel." I say that you should continue to do what you feel is right and to ignore the nay-sayers or those who look askance at you on your ebike as long as you aren't hurting anyone then do as ye will.
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    Oh no i am good. Oh yeah in Australia we have a 25kmph limit on our bikes. I even made a disabled sign for my bike today. Actually the other riders quite like me being around but ebikes haven't taken over Australia yet. I have spoken to some other disabled people on this forum though that are in Australia and they tell me some interesting experiences how their illnesses improved like me. I might never be the same but gee i am feeling so much better than before even if it is just 5% better. What i don't like in my area is the amount of people not as sick as me using those disabled motorised chairs. They are all fat and sicker now

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    I personally think e-bikes and normal bikes can co-exist quite nicely. I was going to launch into a list of reasons why when I remembered this is the mechanic's forum, so it's going a bit far off topic here.
    Getting back on topic, that kickstand looks identical to the one that came stock on a line of bikes I used to sell. It worked great on those bikes, but I think it was a little light duty for your application.
    Do a search for a Hebie Kickstand. They're pretty heavy duty, and I think it would balance fore and aft better too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rapattack View Post
    .. Two problems. One delivery to Australia would be terrible..
    Well, now that you know what to look for might make it easier to find one "at home". Some bike shop should be able to source you one they can add to their order when they have to get stuff from overseas - which must happen every now and then.

    Quote Originally Posted by rapattack View Post
    .. The other is that fixing it onto the back would be bad...
    Don't think so. No need to remove the rear wheel, just undo the axle nuts, slip the brackets over, and do the axle nuts up again.

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