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    Oooooops - can`t believe I never considered that!

    So after committing to a carbon fiber frame and putting together what is in my opinion a pretty functional bike - I`ve having serious difficulties coming to grips with the lack of options for putting some sort of stand on this @*&% thing!

    Can`t believe I`m the one person out there that thinks a bike stand should be a standard options but haven`t had any luck at all. Just a bunch of shaking heads when I make the request in any bike shop. Kinda makes me like that 18 year old cromoly hybrid that came with its own stand just a little bit more.

    Anyone come up with anything practical?

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    Burton: How about one of these Greenfield rear-stay mount units?
    http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&tag=...Mozilla-search
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    Not shaking my head but thinking back to kickstands I used in the distant past and considering how easy it would be to do bad things to CF frame parts with them.
    Greenfield types, above, may be an viable option. Had one of those on a recumbent for a while - versatile mounting.
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    Thanks for the replies and suggestions!

    The rear stays are completely carbon fiber and to complicate the issue further, there are riveted cable / hydraulic fittings on either side at about the height a rear stand would mount anyway. Not to mention the cable run and hydraulic hose on top of that!

    There used to be stands that were used on the display floor that slipped around a pedal arm but I`m not sure how steady they`d be outside. And it would be something else to lug around too!

    The bike gets hung at home but there aren`t always bike racks where I wanna stop, I guess I`ll eventually come up with something.

    Everythings fine till I find someplace interesting to stop! And then ?????

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    Burton, you work in a bikeshop don't you? How could you not know newer frames, particularly carbon, aren't designed or intended to accept kickstands? That's why we invented trees, walls, parking meters and similar stationary vertical surfaces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burton View Post
    there aren`t always bike racks where I wanna stop
    what do you lock your bike to then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HillRider View Post
    ... newer frames, particularly carbon, aren't designed or intended to accept kickstands? That's why we invented trees, walls, parking meters and similar stationary vertical surfaces.
    Yep. Also, simply laying your bike on the ground on the non-drive side. If it's already lying down, it can't fall over.

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    A bike lock would hold it upright.
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    Puleeeeeeeeeeeeeeese post a picture of this CF bike that needs a kick stand.

    [might want try rigging up one of these]



    they used to be popular, rarely see them any more
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    Re-Cycle: That's a Rhode Gear Flickstand, they are no longer made which is why I didn't suggest it at first. I bought the last ones from my LBS and haven't been able to find any since. They work great, it is a shame they were discontinued. dsbrantjr.

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    How about a Click-Stand:

    bg_v6ny.jpg

    It folds up pretty small, and will support any odd bike frame shapes. Not quite as convenient as something that is permanently mounted to the frame, though.

    Another option would be the Topeak FlashStand Slim that mounts on certain models of left crank arms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burton View Post
    Everythings fine till I find someplace interesting to stop! And then ?????
    Lean the bike up against something. You can rest a bike against a wall or other 3'+ high object by just the rear tire, or on a curb or other 6-12" high object using the pedal, so you don't even have to worry about scratching the bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HillRider View Post
    Burton, you work in a bikeshop don't you? How could you not know newer frames, particularly carbon, aren't designed or intended to accept kickstands? That's why we invented trees, walls, parking meters and similar stationary vertical surfaces.
    Aaaawwww come on! Sometimes I forget important dates too!

    So actually there are stands available for most modern bikes. There are a few centerstand models, but since most aluminum frames have limited space to put a center stand , those are mostly for steel frames. There are rear mount models for both steel and aluminum frames. The tubing sizes are different. And there are actually a few carbon fiber frames that come with lugs ready to accept an optional frame - but thats the exception.

    Most carbon frames are on performance hybrids or road bikes and no self respecting weight weenie would be seen dead with a stand on their bike so I guess the situation has never been pushed in my face before.

    This frame was initially a competition mtb frame and I`ve kinda domesticated it. It has been on a stand, but only a floor model showroom type so guess I forgot that some things just work indoors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frantik View Post
    what do you lock your bike to then?
    Lock???? I think thats something I reserve for a couple other bikes. There`s probably no point locking up a $4or$5K machine anywhere. It`ll probably be stripped or gone when you get back anyway.

    But I stop in parks at picnic tables, sometimes to take pictures, at restaurants with terraces where the y welcome bikes and it sits at the table, and outside the ice-cream stand. And ocassionally there are a few of us. On those ocassions there isn`t any security issue - I`d just like to get off the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Re-Cycle View Post
    Puleeeeeeeeeeeeeeese post a picture of this CF bike that needs a kick stand.

    [might want try rigging up one of these]



    they used to be popular, rarely see them any more
    LOL I`ll see about posting some photos. Its nice but nothing exotic. Custom carbon frame built around a mtb cross-country race hardtail geometry, Shimano XT rims with Geax freeride 26x2.3 Tattoo tires, DT Swiss 130mm carbon fork, Shimano Hone integrated 9 speed brake/shifter set-up and Shimano XT low normal rear derailleur, FSA crankset and Ergon GC3 grip/barends.

    I have one of those little goodies myself but they were only designed to fit cromoly frames. Plus you still need something to lean the bike against . I`m hoping for something self-supporting. May have to cook something up!

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    You must KNOW that there's only ONE proper solution to this burning issue, right? You're going to have to make your own stand. And it MUST be done in carbon fiber to go with the bike. There's suppliers of carbon tubing and from there you'll want to figure out how to produce a nice foot for the leg and some sort of carbon tube in a tube pivot and springs to match. This whole rig will then be mounted to the BB shell or to the chain stays just right by the BB shell.

    Try to see if you can make the whole stand weigh no more than 3 oz, OK?

    I'm actually only half joking. With a bit of thinking and if you've done a bit of fiberglass or other composite molding you should be able to figure something out. The key will be to come up with the oddball angles to allow the leg to swing up and in to lay just under and parallel to the chain stay. The rest is figuring out how best to make the bits of carbon tubing bond to each other such that they form a solid and strong joint.

    Looking at http://www.acp-composites.com I see that they have a couple of sizes that would work for this application which telescope within each other.

    The first is a .555 ID x .032 wall tube and the second a .625ID x .043 wall tube. The .555 OD would be .610 OD which would be a really nice pivoting fit in the .625 ID tube.

    So our work is done now and you have NO EXCUSES!
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    What BCRider said, or just:
    Quote Originally Posted by urbanknight View Post
    Lean the bike up against something. You can rest a bike against a wall or other 3'+ high object by just the rear tire, or on a curb or other 6-12" high object using the pedal, so you don't even have to worry about scratching the bike.

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    Waiting for pics...

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    You good use epoxy glue to attach a standard mounting plate to the chainstay. This is a fairly recent standard that is more common on quality European city bikes.
    You then bolt on a Pletscher Zoom stand.

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    I thought the Civia (QBP), kick stand was silly, a afterthought,
    since the frame that was to be their high end, practical
    City bike's basis, was designed without including a kickstand plate.
    or using the bolts on chain tensioning sliding rear dropout, as a place to mount
    a version of KS that would go there..

    They, QBP [contracted to their Taiwan parts mfg sources], then had made ,
    a kickstand to wrap around the left external bearing assembly, of that sort of crankset,
    like of full Alfine group, ... as an accessory.

    ... that can, perhaps, work for you in this situation,
    if you also have an external bearing crankset.

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    User a velcro strap or rubber band to lock the front brake and lean the bike on some thing handy.

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    OK Some pics as requested

    Here are a few shots of the bike including some shots of the 'conventional' areas that a stand might be attached.DSC01950 600 x 800.jpgDSC01967 600 x 800.jpgDSC01948 600 x 800.jpg

    The rear dropout is aluminum but there is a disk brake to contend with as well as an unusual profile.DSC01955 600 x 800.jpg

    Was thinking about a support under the BB but it'll need to be portable. Any suggestions welcome!

    The front axle is oversize and the suspension system is carbon fiber so attaching anything there is probably out of the question too.DSC01959 600 x 800.jpg

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