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    Campy Racing T, 9'speed, quality?

    I keep seeing Campy Racing T stuff for sale, but I'm having a hard time finding out any specifics. I'm assuming the 9-speed triple group is more or less late '90's vintage. Can anyone tell me what general level its associated with (Record, Chorus, etc.)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paintking View Post
    I keep seeing Campy Racing T stuff for sale, but I'm having a hard time finding out any specifics. I'm assuming the 9-speed triple group is more or less late '90's vintage. Can anyone tell me what general level its associated with (Record, Chorus, etc.)?
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    ^ given their high end stuff is no longer using Aluminum for crank-arms
    or square taper BB/arm connection.

    I like the 50,40, triple, substituting a 24 for the 30.
    But I'm probably a Phred, to you guys.


    In the past there was a triple using the Record 4 arm ,
    and one behind the crank arm bolt set.
    different tooling, than the 5 arm still made..
    [though perhaps in Romania, (the drive to the wage bottom
    for labor exploitation continues)]
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    I would say Racing T is close to 9- speed Chorus quality. I put a 50-40-30 Crankset on my wife's Ultrga equipped bike, worked well.

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    yeah, I seem to remember seeing Chorus Racing Triple gear

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimmo View Post
    yeah, I seem to remember seeing Chorus Racing Triple gear
    Chorus is its own gruppo distinct from Racing-T and Race Triple.

    In the ergo era Campagnolo has sold triple parts (other than things like ergo levers, which are the same for double and triple) with at least the following group names (not all of which were available as complete gruppos)

    Record
    Chorus
    Centaur
    Daytona
    Racing-T
    Race Triple
    Comp Triple
    Champ Triple
    Veloce
    Mirage
    Avanti

    plus mountain bike groups like Record OR.

    In some cases it's just the group name which differs (some "Record" triple front derailleurs have a steel fork like the lower gruppos instead of coated aluminum, small parts on 9 speed Daytona Triple and Racing-T rear derailleurs are the same, etc).

    In some cases there are other differences which may or may not be functional. Last of the Record long cage rear derailleurs have a carbon outer cage plate versus aluminum on lower gruppos. Most (if not all?) of the Record triple long cage derailleurs have titanium pivot and clamp bolts instead of steel. Record/late Chorus rear derailleurs have a bolt mounting the cage instead of a stud in the derailleur body and an E-clip as on the lower gruppos.

    As far as quality, it's not like Shimano where Dura Ace may get a tougher alloy than the lower gruppos.
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    Drew,

    Thanks for the great rundown and details.
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    If you want a triple , that is inserted in the build list, of say an otherwise Chorus group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
    If you want a triple , that is inserted in the build list, of say an otherwise Chorus group.
    8/9 speed era - Racing T.You couldn't do better without digging up Record OR parts and if they'd made "Chorus" parts they'd differ only in the group name, since everything had a steel front derailleur fork and Chorus and below got the stud + E-clip rear derailleur cage mount. Chain rings were machined just like Chorus/Record.

    10 speed decade - Chorus triple front derailleur (coated aluminum fork), Chorus long-cage rear derailleur (the medium does officially work with a 30 granny ring and all cog sets except 13-29, although you might as well have the capacity) which has a carbon outer knuckle and mounts the cage with a bolt instead of stud + e-clip arrangement. It'll say Chorus so your gruppo matches. The bolt makes the derailleur easier to disassemble for cleaning.

    10 speed decade, square taper alloy crank period Chorus triple crankset (you might find one NIB for $100 since triples aren't popular and it doesn't say "Record", although the Record hidden bolt triple crank is relatively sexy). Everything matches.

    10 speed decade, carbon crank and/or big axle period. Campagnolo's SKU reduction effort means you'll need to look elsewhere for a 'modern' triple crankset. You can try a Stronglight Fission carbon fiber triple imported from Europe for $400 (add $50 for a titanium spindle in the spirit of Record) if you want to spend money or FSA SLK/SLK-Light triple carbon fiber crank for $100-$150 off E-bay.

    10 speed decade, whole hog guy jewelry binge. You can get Record Titanium triple front derailleurs with coated aluminum forks and titanium bolts and Record Titanium long cage rear derailleurs with carbon outer knuckle, carbon outer cage, and titanium pivot bolts + clamp bolt. About $300 (anything which says Record won't be cheap, even if used) and a lot of waiting for someone to sell (triples aren't popular and have become less so with compact cranks). I have that combination in my parts box plus a set of NOS 2010 Centaur Carbon Ultrashift levers I'll install now that I'm being forced to move beyond the 9-speed era (wore out my rear derailleur pivots, am down to my last right lever G-spring carrier + return springs which Campagnolo discontinued, etc.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew Eckhardt View Post
    last right lever G-spring carrier + return springs which Campagnolo discontinued, etc.)
    I'm buying these all the time from SIgma Sport
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    Record OR crank was a Bit odd, the Big ring on the back side of the spider , the other 2 were splined on like cassettes did.

    Euclid was more Normal 110-74, as was Olympus, which I own , it seems interchangeable with Shimano's M730.. And heavier.

    Forged arms , Ergal chainrings , fine quality.

    But this reads like you wanted to learn the Ranking level, rather than the manufacturing Quality.

    Euclid Centaur Olympus Icarus Themis or something like that , I forget a lot

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    Quote Originally Posted by american psycho View Post
    I'm buying these all the time from SIgma Sport
    Do those work on 8 speed shifters and 1997 transition year 9 speed which lacks the clock spring?

    I noticed the pegs which engage the shifter body were shaped differently, but moved beyond 9 speed before finding out if that would fit.

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    they work on the newer (post 1998) 9 & 10 speed only levers.
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