Anyone got a source for small-order cheap bulk spokes?
07-17-11, 06:15 PM
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My Take on Mr Rabbit
I notice that this thread has served its original purpose
by listing some useful sources for spokes in less than 100
quantities. Kudos
As a side show, there seems to be some content devoted
to puzzling out why Mr Rabbit appears willing to devote
considerable typing time to personal diminution of the OP
rather than simply typing a couple of simple declaratory
sentences that answer the question.
As someone who has made the mistake in the past of going
back and forth with Mr Bunny, an observation, if I may be
permitted. The original question seems to be well answered.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism
So to summarize, Mr Bunny considers himself, by virtue
of his wheel building expertise and professional experience
in the field, to be a master of that particular universe.
Certainly, it is possible that he knows more about it than
many of us.
Unfortunately, he has a particular personality tendency......
which can actually be healthy if not carried to extreme....
toward the jerk factor.
The good part about this is that he does serve as a valuable
resource here on esoteric wheel building information. But
quite obviously he is not the only person who responds here
who has a great deal of knowledge in this area. Thankfully.
Take it for what it's worth. The guy who works in Toronto as a
wrench (whose name escapes me at the moment), is another
good example. And in their defense, there are a lot of questions
asked here that have been asked before a great many times that
might be found with the Forum advanced search.
But I agree with most of you that to spend time and energy typing
out long replies that are essentially designed to demean others
makes little sense, which is why I will now end this one.
............................
by listing some useful sources for spokes in less than 100
quantities. Kudos
As a side show, there seems to be some content devoted
to puzzling out why Mr Rabbit appears willing to devote
considerable typing time to personal diminution of the OP
rather than simply typing a couple of simple declaratory
sentences that answer the question.
As someone who has made the mistake in the past of going
back and forth with Mr Bunny, an observation, if I may be
permitted. The original question seems to be well answered.
Although most individuals have some narcissistic traits, high levels of narcissism can manifest themselves as a pathological form as narcissistic personality disorder (NPD), whereby the patient overestimates his or her abilities and has an excessive need for admiration and affirmation.
Hotchkiss identified what she called the seven deadly sins of narcissism:[22]
Shamelessness: Shame is the feeling that lurks beneath all unhealthy narcissism, and the inability to process shame in healthy ways.
Magical thinking: Narcissists see themselves as perfect using distortion and illusion known as magical thinking. They also use projection to dump shame onto others.
Arrogance: A narcissist who is feeling deflated may reinflate by diminishing, debasing, or degrading somebody else.
Envy: A narcissist may secure a sense of superiority in the face of another person's ability by using contempt to minimize the other person.
Entitlement: Narcissists hold unreasonable expectations of particularly favorable treatment and automatic compliance because they consider themselves special. Failure to comply is considered an attack on their superiority, and the perpetrator is considered an "awkward" or "difficult" person. Defiance of their will is a narcissistic injury that can trigger narcissistic rage.
Exploitation: Can take many forms but always involves the exploitation of others without regard for their feelings or interests. Often the other is in a subservient position where resistance would be difficult or even impossible. Sometimes the subservience is not so much real as assumed.
Bad boundaries: Narcissists do not recognize that they have boundaries and that others are separate and are not extensions of themselves. Others either exist to meet their needs or may as well not exist at all. Those who provide narcissistic supply to the narcissist are treated as if they are part of the narcissist and are expected to live up to those expectations. In the mind of a narcissist there is no boundary between self and other.
Shamelessness: Shame is the feeling that lurks beneath all unhealthy narcissism, and the inability to process shame in healthy ways.
Magical thinking: Narcissists see themselves as perfect using distortion and illusion known as magical thinking. They also use projection to dump shame onto others.
Arrogance: A narcissist who is feeling deflated may reinflate by diminishing, debasing, or degrading somebody else.
Envy: A narcissist may secure a sense of superiority in the face of another person's ability by using contempt to minimize the other person.
Entitlement: Narcissists hold unreasonable expectations of particularly favorable treatment and automatic compliance because they consider themselves special. Failure to comply is considered an attack on their superiority, and the perpetrator is considered an "awkward" or "difficult" person. Defiance of their will is a narcissistic injury that can trigger narcissistic rage.
Exploitation: Can take many forms but always involves the exploitation of others without regard for their feelings or interests. Often the other is in a subservient position where resistance would be difficult or even impossible. Sometimes the subservience is not so much real as assumed.
Bad boundaries: Narcissists do not recognize that they have boundaries and that others are separate and are not extensions of themselves. Others either exist to meet their needs or may as well not exist at all. Those who provide narcissistic supply to the narcissist are treated as if they are part of the narcissist and are expected to live up to those expectations. In the mind of a narcissist there is no boundary between self and other.
So to summarize, Mr Bunny considers himself, by virtue
of his wheel building expertise and professional experience
in the field, to be a master of that particular universe.
Certainly, it is possible that he knows more about it than
many of us.
Unfortunately, he has a particular personality tendency......
which can actually be healthy if not carried to extreme....
toward the jerk factor.
The good part about this is that he does serve as a valuable
resource here on esoteric wheel building information. But
quite obviously he is not the only person who responds here
who has a great deal of knowledge in this area. Thankfully.
Take it for what it's worth. The guy who works in Toronto as a
wrench (whose name escapes me at the moment), is another
good example. And in their defense, there are a lot of questions
asked here that have been asked before a great many times that
might be found with the Forum advanced search.
But I agree with most of you that to spend time and energy typing
out long replies that are essentially designed to demean others
makes little sense, which is why I will now end this one.
............................
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07-17-11, 06:17 PM
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If making making the case = irony...
...then so be it.
So...where is Gyozadude?
=8-)
...then so be it.
So...where is Gyozadude?
=8-)
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5000+ wheels built since 1984...
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2. I like anyone will comment in other areas.
3. I do not own the preexisting concepts of DISH and ERD.
4. I will provide information as I always have to others that I believe will help them protect themselves from unscrupulous mechanics.
5. My all time favorite book is:
Kahane, Howard. Logic and Contemporary Rhetoric: The Use of Reason in Everyday Life
07-17-11, 06:35 PM
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I notice that this thread has served its original purpose
by listing some useful sources for spokes in less than 100
quantities. Kudos
As a side show, there seems to be some content devoted
to puzzling out why Mr Rabbit appears willing to devote
considerable typing time to personal diminution of the OP
rather than simply typing a couple of simple declaratory
sentences that answer the question.
As someone who has made the mistake in the past of going
back and forth with Mr Bunny, an observation, if I may be
permitted. The original question seems to be well answered.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism
So to summarize, Mr Bunny considers himself, by virtue
of his wheel building expertise and professional experience
in the field, to be a master of that particular universe.
Certainly, it is possible that he knows more about it than
many of us.
Unfortunately, he has a particular personality tendency......
which can actually be healthy if not carried to extreme....
toward the jerk factor.
The good part about this is that he does serve as a valuable
resource here on esoteric wheel building information. But
quite obviously he is not the only person who responds here
who has a great deal of knowledge in this area. Thankfully.
Take it for what it's worth. The guy who works in Toronto as a
wrench (whose name escapes me at the moment), is another
good example. And in their defense, there are a lot of questions
asked here that have been asked before a great many times that
might be found with the Forum advanced search.
But I agree with most of you that to spend time and energy typing
out long replies that are essentially designed to demean others
makes little sense, which is why I will now end this one.
............................
by listing some useful sources for spokes in less than 100
quantities. Kudos
As a side show, there seems to be some content devoted
to puzzling out why Mr Rabbit appears willing to devote
considerable typing time to personal diminution of the OP
rather than simply typing a couple of simple declaratory
sentences that answer the question.
As someone who has made the mistake in the past of going
back and forth with Mr Bunny, an observation, if I may be
permitted. The original question seems to be well answered.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism
So to summarize, Mr Bunny considers himself, by virtue
of his wheel building expertise and professional experience
in the field, to be a master of that particular universe.
Certainly, it is possible that he knows more about it than
many of us.
Unfortunately, he has a particular personality tendency......
which can actually be healthy if not carried to extreme....
toward the jerk factor.
The good part about this is that he does serve as a valuable
resource here on esoteric wheel building information. But
quite obviously he is not the only person who responds here
who has a great deal of knowledge in this area. Thankfully.
Take it for what it's worth. The guy who works in Toronto as a
wrench (whose name escapes me at the moment), is another
good example. And in their defense, there are a lot of questions
asked here that have been asked before a great many times that
might be found with the Forum advanced search.
But I agree with most of you that to spend time and energy typing
out long replies that are essentially designed to demean others
makes little sense, which is why I will now end this one.
............................
1. Actually I don't consider myself a "master of that particular universe".
- Not a master at calculating spoke lengths from scratch for true paired spoke wheels. Guessing and estimating plays a role.
- Not a master at figuring out recommended tension for unlabelled alloy rims. Hence why myself and other builders work with "ballpark" figures. Jobst Brandt has a suggested method...
- No experience at all working with carbon or aluminum spokes. I.e., there is likely someone here who knows something I don't or has done something I haven't.
2. If you were honest, you would have researched my previous posts and topics and noted the following:
a. I do provide help and tips - and have done so many times over in the area of wheelbuilding, spoke length calculation, hub/shell/race defects, tensioning, and troubleshooting wheel problems.
b. That I do not provide "expert" help on other topics such as indexed derailleur systems. In other words, I may know how to set them up and work on them - but because my exposure is minimal I do not position myself in related discussions as an "expert". I even noted at least once that I'll let someone check my derailleur adjustment just to be certain.
c. To summarize "a" and "b" - I stick with what I know and tend to keep quiet on those things I'm short on. Wish I could say the same for many others here...
3. Instead, you chose the "ad-hom" route like previous person and of the same nature. So in response to that...three simple words.
=8-)
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Disclaimer:
1. I do not claim to be an expert in bicycle mechanics despite my experience.
2. I like anyone will comment in other areas.
3. I do not own the preexisting concepts of DISH and ERD.
4. I will provide information as I always have to others that I believe will help them protect themselves from unscrupulous mechanics.
5. My all time favorite book is:
Kahane, Howard. Logic and Contemporary Rhetoric: The Use of Reason in Everyday Life
5000+ wheels built since 1984...
Disclaimer:
1. I do not claim to be an expert in bicycle mechanics despite my experience.
2. I like anyone will comment in other areas.
3. I do not own the preexisting concepts of DISH and ERD.
4. I will provide information as I always have to others that I believe will help them protect themselves from unscrupulous mechanics.
5. My all time favorite book is:
Kahane, Howard. Logic and Contemporary Rhetoric: The Use of Reason in Everyday Life
07-17-11, 09:57 PM
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hybridbkrdr:
Some people quite frankly are downright lazy and can't be bothered to actually spend more than a minute doing an in-depth search for what they want. They expect to be able to do a search that every time gives 'em exactly what they want in the first 3 listings on the first result page...or else they bail out and whine:
"I can't find blah blah blah!..."
Why? They are smaller operators who can't afford to pay the Google and Yahoo tax to promote their pages in search engines indexes...and those who want instant gratification for their search results can't be bothered to find 'em.
It's like sitting by an apple tree wanting an apple to fall - and when it does - refusing to pick it up because the oh-so-kind tree dropped it 2 feet too far to your right.
=8-)
Some people quite frankly are downright lazy and can't be bothered to actually spend more than a minute doing an in-depth search for what they want. They expect to be able to do a search that every time gives 'em exactly what they want in the first 3 listings on the first result page...or else they bail out and whine:
"I can't find blah blah blah!..."
Why? They are smaller operators who can't afford to pay the Google and Yahoo tax to promote their pages in search engines indexes...and those who want instant gratification for their search results can't be bothered to find 'em.
It's like sitting by an apple tree wanting an apple to fall - and when it does - refusing to pick it up because the oh-so-kind tree dropped it 2 feet too far to your right.
=8-)
gmt13:
If you have been paying attention at all - the common links provided by several users here have been provided here repeatedly. Yet, the OP was unaware of them...why? Because assuming they even did a search - they clearly ignored the "bikeforums.net" links in the search results they got when searching Google or Yahoo. Of course chances were, they didn't even do a Google or Yahoo search and hopped right into BF and did a straightaway request....
...ignoring BF's own search engine.
I'll call it what it is - laziness.
The BF rules do ask that people do a little research up front before asking questions...
gyozadude:
Was wondering when you'd show up again - and of course this time around you are trying to paint yourself as the "good guy" helping those being picked on by "eenie meanie condescending MrRabbit". Welp, join the club...
So getting back on topic...
So just out of curiousity...after my last hint did you ever bother to search for:
"stainless steel spokes san jose"
...in Google or Yahoo?
Or do you only have to the energy to play "Mr Good Guy" or "Mr. Friendly"?
Please do tell...assuming you are not just a nice helpful guy - but an honest one too.
=8-)
If you have been paying attention at all - the common links provided by several users here have been provided here repeatedly. Yet, the OP was unaware of them...why? Because assuming they even did a search - they clearly ignored the "bikeforums.net" links in the search results they got when searching Google or Yahoo. Of course chances were, they didn't even do a Google or Yahoo search and hopped right into BF and did a straightaway request....
...ignoring BF's own search engine.
I'll call it what it is - laziness.
The BF rules do ask that people do a little research up front before asking questions...
gyozadude:
Was wondering when you'd show up again - and of course this time around you are trying to paint yourself as the "good guy" helping those being picked on by "eenie meanie condescending MrRabbit". Welp, join the club...
So getting back on topic...
So just out of curiousity...after my last hint did you ever bother to search for:
"stainless steel spokes san jose"
...in Google or Yahoo?
Or do you only have to the energy to play "Mr Good Guy" or "Mr. Friendly"?
Please do tell...assuming you are not just a nice helpful guy - but an honest one too.
=8-)
1. Sounds like the same tactic used by "global warming pushers" to smear so-called "deniers" when they can't rebutt on a scientific basis. It's an indirect ad-hom. Careful there...
2. Plenty of us here including yours truly are knowledgeable and helpful - but that doesn't stop us from calling a duck a duck. I'm not the only one...
3. Search engines are plenty, forum engine works...once in awhile some poor OP is going to get dumped on for not doing the obvious BEFORE calling it quits and asking the question.
4. Audicity? No...just requires being straight-up and to the point and honest. "Impossible alcoholic neighbor..." was that another indirect attempt at an ad-hom.
5. Just because something MAY be the truth doesn't make it negative. It's like trying to say "Professional" and "Quality" are the same. While they may be related - they are two different things.
At least when I call "laziness" - I back it up with observation and logic. And of course, logic, especially inductive reasoning, has a crossed fingers factor in it...
=8-)
Google:
"source for small quantities of spokes"
"source for generic spokes"
https://www.bentrideronline.com/messa...p/t-17331.html
https://www.cyclingforums.com/forum/t...generic-spokes
Bike Forums Search:
"buy spokes online"
Will bring up dozens of results - many of which likely have Retro Grouch, Hillrider, FBinNY, myself and others participating because this question comes up over and over.
Only took about 2 minutes for all of the above...
=8-)
2. Plenty of us here including yours truly are knowledgeable and helpful - but that doesn't stop us from calling a duck a duck. I'm not the only one...
3. Search engines are plenty, forum engine works...once in awhile some poor OP is going to get dumped on for not doing the obvious BEFORE calling it quits and asking the question.
4. Audicity? No...just requires being straight-up and to the point and honest. "Impossible alcoholic neighbor..." was that another indirect attempt at an ad-hom.
5. Just because something MAY be the truth doesn't make it negative. It's like trying to say "Professional" and "Quality" are the same. While they may be related - they are two different things.
At least when I call "laziness" - I back it up with observation and logic. And of course, logic, especially inductive reasoning, has a crossed fingers factor in it...
=8-)
Google:
"source for small quantities of spokes"
"source for generic spokes"
https://www.bentrideronline.com/messa...p/t-17331.html
https://www.cyclingforums.com/forum/t...generic-spokes
Bike Forums Search:
"buy spokes online"
Will bring up dozens of results - many of which likely have Retro Grouch, Hillrider, FBinNY, myself and others participating because this question comes up over and over.
Only took about 2 minutes for all of the above...
=8-)
1. Actually I don't consider myself a "master of that particular universe".
- Not a master at calculating spoke lengths from scratch for true paired spoke wheels. Guessing and estimating plays a role.
- Not a master at figuring out recommended tension for unlabelled alloy rims. Hence why myself and other builders work with "ballpark" figures. Jobst Brandt has a suggested method...
- No experience at all working with carbon or aluminum spokes. I.e., there is likely someone here who knows something I don't or has done something I haven't.
2. If you were honest, you would have researched my previous posts and topics and noted the following:
a. I do provide help and tips - and have done so many times over in the area of wheelbuilding, spoke length calculation, hub/shell/race defects, tensioning, and troubleshooting wheel problems.
b. That I do not provide "expert" help on other topics such as indexed derailleur systems. In other words, I may know how to set them up and work on them - but because my exposure is minimal I do not position myself in related discussions as an "expert". I even noted at least once that I'll let someone check my derailleur adjustment just to be certain.
c. To summarize "a" and "b" - I stick with what I know and tend to keep quiet on those things I'm short on. Wish I could say the same for many others here...
3. Instead, you chose the "ad-hom" route like previous person and of the same nature. So in response to that...three simple words.
=8-)
- Not a master at calculating spoke lengths from scratch for true paired spoke wheels. Guessing and estimating plays a role.
- Not a master at figuring out recommended tension for unlabelled alloy rims. Hence why myself and other builders work with "ballpark" figures. Jobst Brandt has a suggested method...
- No experience at all working with carbon or aluminum spokes. I.e., there is likely someone here who knows something I don't or has done something I haven't.
2. If you were honest, you would have researched my previous posts and topics and noted the following:
a. I do provide help and tips - and have done so many times over in the area of wheelbuilding, spoke length calculation, hub/shell/race defects, tensioning, and troubleshooting wheel problems.
b. That I do not provide "expert" help on other topics such as indexed derailleur systems. In other words, I may know how to set them up and work on them - but because my exposure is minimal I do not position myself in related discussions as an "expert". I even noted at least once that I'll let someone check my derailleur adjustment just to be certain.
c. To summarize "a" and "b" - I stick with what I know and tend to keep quiet on those things I'm short on. Wish I could say the same for many others here...
3. Instead, you chose the "ad-hom" route like previous person and of the same nature. So in response to that...three simple words.
=8-)
Originally Posted by 3alarmer
The good part about this is that he does serve as a valuable
resource here on esoteric wheel building information.
resource here on esoteric wheel building information.
appears to be ad hominem. It couldn't be, because it
comes from Mr Bunny. So in all honesty....and the horse
you rode in on.
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we be rollin'
As for the comment implying that I was making a personal attack. Well, I suggest anyone believing that can google "distorted cognitions".
07-18-11, 01:21 AM
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"esoteric"
Um...okay...geez...kinda feel elite and all that. Not my cup of tea though...
Anyone want my spokechart again?
=8-)
Um...okay...geez...kinda feel elite and all that. Not my cup of tea though...
Anyone want my spokechart again?
=8-)
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2. I like anyone will comment in other areas.
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4. I will provide information as I always have to others that I believe will help them protect themselves from unscrupulous mechanics.
5. My all time favorite book is:
Kahane, Howard. Logic and Contemporary Rhetoric: The Use of Reason in Everyday Life
5000+ wheels built since 1984...
Disclaimer:
1. I do not claim to be an expert in bicycle mechanics despite my experience.
2. I like anyone will comment in other areas.
3. I do not own the preexisting concepts of DISH and ERD.
4. I will provide information as I always have to others that I believe will help them protect themselves from unscrupulous mechanics.
5. My all time favorite book is:
Kahane, Howard. Logic and Contemporary Rhetoric: The Use of Reason in Everyday Life
07-18-11, 09:16 AM
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No one on this thread has said either that you do not
offer help or that your information is lacking in any way.
In fact, I think your need to appear here and answer wheel
questions is of great benefit to many.
The problem arises in your motivation, which at times appears
to stem from some pathological need to feel better about
yourself..........at the expense of whomever you've chosen
as the recipient of your pent up spleen (AKA elevated jerk
factor.) This is as clearly as I can state it, so I won't do so
again to the benefit of nobody (you seem incapable of accepting
the suggestion.)
Operator often comes from the same corner of the universe.
Nobody comes here to be chastised, belittled, or otherwise to
benefit from your advice on improving their work ethic. Sort of
like you don't show up for my free personality analysis.
If you're so aggravated or put upon by a particular thread or
request for information, do everyone a favor and just move along
quietly. There really are others who drop in from time to time who
are capable of providing the information in a more charitable spirit.
And just for the record, I use the Wheelpro site when I need to
do this stuff....and refer my students to it on the rare instances
when I teach this. Roger Musson offers as much or more, and I
don't have to put up with any bull****.......
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"3alarmer"
There are rules...
...and there is common courtesy and respect.
Every once in awhile when I think there is too much:
1. Forgoing the general research for the "obvious" before popping into BF thereby ignoring the forum rules
2. Forgoing a BF search for the "obvious" and thereby displaying a lack of courtesy and respect for those who have provided previous help
...I'm gonna come out and note the obvious behavior.
Laziness - cause they were too lazy to lift two fingers on the keyboard and type "cheap stainless steel spokes" in a search engine or "buy spokes online" in BF's search engine.
I'm a teacher, IT engineer, and have also run a libary for a couple years. I'm happy to help people - but like the folks I've worked with - I'm not here to baby sit those who can't even bother to try.
Go join the "Straight Quill Stem" thread...notice the difference in atttitude.
Got it?
=8-)
There are rules...
...and there is common courtesy and respect.
Every once in awhile when I think there is too much:
1. Forgoing the general research for the "obvious" before popping into BF thereby ignoring the forum rules
2. Forgoing a BF search for the "obvious" and thereby displaying a lack of courtesy and respect for those who have provided previous help
...I'm gonna come out and note the obvious behavior.
Laziness - cause they were too lazy to lift two fingers on the keyboard and type "cheap stainless steel spokes" in a search engine or "buy spokes online" in BF's search engine.
I'm a teacher, IT engineer, and have also run a libary for a couple years. I'm happy to help people - but like the folks I've worked with - I'm not here to baby sit those who can't even bother to try.
Go join the "Straight Quill Stem" thread...notice the difference in atttitude.
Got it?
=8-)
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Disclaimer:
1. I do not claim to be an expert in bicycle mechanics despite my experience.
2. I like anyone will comment in other areas.
3. I do not own the preexisting concepts of DISH and ERD.
4. I will provide information as I always have to others that I believe will help them protect themselves from unscrupulous mechanics.
5. My all time favorite book is:
Kahane, Howard. Logic and Contemporary Rhetoric: The Use of Reason in Everyday Life
5000+ wheels built since 1984...
Disclaimer:
1. I do not claim to be an expert in bicycle mechanics despite my experience.
2. I like anyone will comment in other areas.
3. I do not own the preexisting concepts of DISH and ERD.
4. I will provide information as I always have to others that I believe will help them protect themselves from unscrupulous mechanics.
5. My all time favorite book is:
Kahane, Howard. Logic and Contemporary Rhetoric: The Use of Reason in Everyday Life
07-18-11, 12:41 PM
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And pray tell, what was courteous and respectful about you calling someone lazy a priori to any justification in the OP's original comments? All I saw was presumption of laziness. Frankly, not very courteous. And much more about contempt of a fellow cyclist.
Obviously, no one ever answered this post from long ago. Obviously, the OP revived this thread. Maybe he/she should have looked further. But, as you should know already, prices are evanescent. Here today, gone tomorrow. Sale links get old REALLY fast. So it was reasonable to just come out and call someone lazy. And that the risk you take if you take it upon yourself to be the curmudgeon that tells all the whippersnappers to use search. Being a teacher should have exposed you to students of all kinds. Some not as self-reliant as others. You don't teach by telling students they are stupid or lazy. Instead, you give them at least the search terms and explain why those terms are universal to search on and relevant and hopefully this motivates them to then go off and search with vigor. You may not know how many times they've actually tried to search a priori before they come onto the board to ask.
And even then, how much skin off your teeth is it to give the links to actual places? Or maybe you're stuck in rock and hard place because it may seema conflict of interest to post a link to your own website that sells spokes for cheap? Hey - if you offer real value that is superior to others, or highly competitive, what's wrong with offering yours, plus a couple of sites?
At least 9 fingers to touch type the search terms above. Not 2 fingers. And I have search on "cheap stainless spokes" many times and what you get back may be different that what I get back. Didn't you know that search on Google, especially, is not a closed form, consistent solution? Google gives you 0.42 microseconds of compute cycles and caches for that cluster or cloud. Some other query might be delegated to a different cloud to compute. Usually, for most, it's similar. But what you see on page 4 maybe on someone elses page 6 or 7.
BTW, I did find your site in San Jose. If you won't post it, I will. https://www.mrrabbit.net/catalog/index.php
Great prices and for folks in the south bay, it's definitely a place I plan to visit. You see - unlike others who might take your online personna as the way you are in a physical store, I'm still interested in giving all folks a chance in person because they may behave much less than an a**hole face-to-face, plus your past contributions are worth learning from. And I'm still interested in how you fatigue test spokes easily in a garage or bike shop, and I'm still curious as to how a 7.1mm spoke head breaks off if the theoretical yield stress is never reached? And in all the forums that Jobst Brandt was on, he never got a straight answer either to that either.
Every once in awhile when I think there is too much:
1. Forgoing the general research for the "obvious" before popping into BF thereby ignoring the forum rules
2. Forgoing a BF search for the "obvious" and thereby displaying a lack of courtesy and respect for those who have provided previous help
...I'm gonna come out and note the obvious behavior.
1. Forgoing the general research for the "obvious" before popping into BF thereby ignoring the forum rules
2. Forgoing a BF search for the "obvious" and thereby displaying a lack of courtesy and respect for those who have provided previous help
...I'm gonna come out and note the obvious behavior.
And even then, how much skin off your teeth is it to give the links to actual places? Or maybe you're stuck in rock and hard place because it may seema conflict of interest to post a link to your own website that sells spokes for cheap? Hey - if you offer real value that is superior to others, or highly competitive, what's wrong with offering yours, plus a couple of sites?
Laziness - cause they were too lazy to lift two fingers on the keyboard and type "cheap stainless steel spokes" in a search engine or "buy spokes online" in BF's search engine.
I'm a teacher, IT engineer, and have also run a libary for a couple years. I'm happy to help people - but like the folks I've worked with - I'm not here to baby sit those who can't even bother to try.
Go join the "Straight Quill Stem" thread...notice the difference in atttitude.
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I'm a teacher, IT engineer, and have also run a libary for a couple years. I'm happy to help people - but like the folks I've worked with - I'm not here to baby sit those who can't even bother to try.
Go join the "Straight Quill Stem" thread...notice the difference in atttitude.
Got it?
=8-)
BTW, I did find your site in San Jose. If you won't post it, I will. https://www.mrrabbit.net/catalog/index.php
Great prices and for folks in the south bay, it's definitely a place I plan to visit. You see - unlike others who might take your online personna as the way you are in a physical store, I'm still interested in giving all folks a chance in person because they may behave much less than an a**hole face-to-face, plus your past contributions are worth learning from. And I'm still interested in how you fatigue test spokes easily in a garage or bike shop, and I'm still curious as to how a 7.1mm spoke head breaks off if the theoretical yield stress is never reached? And in all the forums that Jobst Brandt was on, he never got a straight answer either to that either.
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Was going to answer this thread with a serious answer for the OP but it seems to have gone south so I'll stay out LOL.
But I have a source that sells min. qty of 18 Spokes and 19 Nipples at a good price and any size you'd need.
But I have a source that sells min. qty of 18 Spokes and 19 Nipples at a good price and any size you'd need.
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https://www.jtgraphics.net/cyclist_bicycles.htm
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... Some people quite frankly are downright lazy and can't be bothered to actually spend more than a minute doing an in-depth search for what they want. They expect to be able to do a search that every time gives 'em exactly what they want in the first 3 listings on the first result page...or else they bail out and whine.
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some people annoy us more than they inform us. Rather than responding to them, consider putting them on your ignore list. If everyone did that, then we mods wouldn't have to do so much work.
Looks like my favorite source on ebay has no items for sale right now.
Looks like my favorite source on ebay has no items for sale right now.
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5000+ wheels built since 1984...
Disclaimer:
1. I do not claim to be an expert in bicycle mechanics despite my experience.
2. I like anyone will comment in other areas.
3. I do not own the preexisting concepts of DISH and ERD.
4. I will provide information as I always have to others that I believe will help them protect themselves from unscrupulous mechanics.
5. My all time favorite book is:
Kahane, Howard. Logic and Contemporary Rhetoric: The Use of Reason in Everyday Life
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