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Old 08-23-11, 03:17 PM
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Are you guys still here ?

The horse is long dead.
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Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver
Are you guys still here ?

The horse is long dead.
Yeah, but the whip hasn't worn out yet.
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Originally Posted by kevin_stevens
Ok - it's become clear that you can't let this go until it becomes SOMEONE ELSE'S FAULT that you couldn't install your cassette. I'll step up. It was totally, absolutely MY FAULT that you had this problem. I apologize for the poor design of the cassette, the improper packaging, lack of instructional materials, and overall poor customer service involved in your purchase. I will take steps to ensure this will never happen again. Mea culpa.

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Very cute.
I DID install my cassette, because I refuse to give up on something I know I should be able to do myself.
However, I also reserve my right to criticize a lousy food wrapper.
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The horse has been buried (with the whip).
Thanks again to those of you who made *constructive* comments.
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A - not sure if you were doing this, but the book I read when learning how to mount inner tubes and tires suggested partially inflating the inner tube *before* installing it on the rim inside the tire. I've found that provides enough internal pressure that the valve stem won't vanish back into the rim.

I've also included some photos of an 8-speed cassette in retail packaging that I recently bought -- it's got the two smallest gears and lockring loose in the bottom, and no instruction sheet, so I guess these days cassettes are not intended for end user installation without reference to bike repair books or previous experience.



For those of you worried about the dead horse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbt30UnzRWw
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Originally Posted by Mondoman
A - not sure if you were doing this, but the book I read when learning how to mount inner tubes and tires suggested partially inflating the inner tube *before* installing it on the rim inside the tire. I've found that provides enough internal pressure that the valve stem won't vanish back into the rim.
I knew about that part, after I observed a riding buddy replacing his tube. But it doesn't keep the valve stem out.

I've also included some photos of an 8-speed cassette in retail packaging that I recently bought -- it's got the two smallest gears and lockring loose in the bottom, and no instruction sheet, so I guess these days cassettes are not intended for end user installation without reference to bike repair books or previous experience.
I suspect you are right there. Thanks for going to the trouble!
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We were all beginners at some time. Give the guy a break.
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Originally Posted by Reynolds
We were all beginners at some time. Give the guy a break.
Let's see...

1. When I first saw a valve stem grommet...it only took me 15 seconds to figure out what it was. Popped one into a rim just to be sure - bingo! No one had to show me...

2. When I first saw Shimano freehubs with one wider spline than others, I knew right away it was a "key" spline. On went the cassette...no one had to show me...

3. When I first saw Phil Wood hubs with allen keyed field serviceable axles, I knew right away how to pop the axles out. No one person or manual had to show me...

4. When I first saw an assembled threadless headset, I knew just by looking at the assembly what roles the stem bolts played and what role the top cap bolt played. No one person or manual had to show me...

5. When my garage door opener suddenly leaked a white powdery fluid one afternoon - and the garage door kept stalling - I knew right away it had blown the capacitor for boosting the motor. No one person or manual had to tell me that...no one person or manual had to tell me how to replace it...

...and I'm not certified at anything but teaching Social Studies to public middle school students.

So either that makes me a genius...or the dead horse deserves another beating.

But then again, let's not feed the troll.

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Originally Posted by mrrabbit
But then again, let's not feed the troll.
Did you just lay out Thanksgiving dinner for the troll, then tell others not to feed it?

I can't believe this went on for 5 pages. But after reading it, I had to add something just to make the amount of time I spent on it more worthwhile. I am looking forward to the 10th page of this drivel!

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Originally Posted by mrrabbit
Let's see...

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So either that makes me a genius...or the dead horse deserves another beating.

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Wasn't there some big long thread recently about a guy who couldn't figure out a presta valve?

Seriously.....how do these guys get through a day? If they actually had to go a day without everything spelled out for them, they'd be immobilized! Do they ever cook anything? Change a belt on their vacuum cleaner? Fix a leaky faucet?

Or, maybe I'm just a genius, too! hahahaha

I will say, though, I place a lot of value on real-life skills. My 10 year son can change the oil in both my and my wife's cars and know what oil and how much of it goes in which, and my 12 year old daughter can already remove the wheels from her bike and change tires and put it all back together with no assistance. She also knows how to lace a wheel..... Both are also expected to fully prepare one meal a week. They do pretty good, too.
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Please anybody!!! make them stop!!!
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Old 08-27-11, 10:42 AM
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And some of us are inept with grammar...

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They do pretty well, too.
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Originally Posted by BikeWise1
Wasn't there some big long thread recently about a guy who couldn't figure out a presta valve?

Seriously.....how do these guys get through a day? If they actually had to go a day without everything spelled out for them, they'd be immobilized! Do they ever cook anything? Change a belt on their vacuum cleaner? Fix a leaky faucet?

Or, maybe I'm just a genius, too! hahahaha

I will say, though, I place a lot of value on real-life skills. My 10 year son can change the oil in both my and my wife's cars and know what oil and how much of it goes in which, and my 12 year old daughter can already remove the wheels from her bike and change tires and put it all back together with no assistance. She also knows how to lace a wheel..... Both are also expected to fully prepare one meal a week. They do pretty good, too.

I blame the parents...seriously...

Too many parents try to "help" their kids from the moment they are born. "Help" of course when you watch 'em in action is really a "rescue" from routine learning opportunities. When my son was born - one rule I laid down with the entire very big family I married into was that my son is to be shown something 1-2 times...

and
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Of course the family hated me for it - especially when I was around to say, "Please don't!!! He's already been shown how twice. He'll figure it out..."

To make a long story short, my son entered Kindergarten testing at Reading Level 5th grade, Reading Comprehension Level 2nd Grade, and Math Level 1st Grade. Was already doing Thomas and Friends 200+ piece puzzles, and doing amazingly well as a computer "user".

You mentioned real-life skills. Welp, he's one level away from finishing swimming lessons. In my immediate family, you don't do all the other summer recreational camps and classes until you've learned to swim. It's a real-life skill that just so happens to be a critical life saving skill. So next summer as he is doing his final lessons - he gets to sign up for other stuff as well - whatever he chooses.

Coddling quite frankly in my opinion literally creates disabled adults down the road...

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Originally Posted by mr.smith.pdx
Did you just lay out Thanksgiving dinner for the troll, then tell others not to feed it?

I can't believe this went on for 5 pages. But after reading it, I had to add something just to make the amount of time I spent on it more worthwhile. I am looking forward to the 10th page of this drivel!

Gotta hone my instigation, sedition and flame fueling skill you know!

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Before laying this thread to rest I want to point something out.
There are some very knowledgeable and helpful, mature members in here, and I can't stress enough how grateful I am for their genuine efforts to help other, less experienced members.
And then there are those who consider this forum a platform for their self-aggrandizement, and focus on ridicule and insult rather than contribution. If they were as capable of figuring things out as they claim to be they would have noticed that a forum like this is intended for members to help each other, not to be ridiculed. Advice to those types: If you can't help, don't post - just move on!

My thanks again to the members who are able to, and do help!

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Originally Posted by Again
Before laying this thread to rest I want to point something out.
There are some very knowledgeable and helpful, mature members in here, and I can't stress enough how grateful I am for their genuine efforts to help other, less experienced members.
And then there are those who consider this forum a platform for their self-aggrandizement, and focus on ridicule and insult rather than contribution. If they were as capable of figuring things out as they claim to be they would have noticed that a forum like this is intended for members to help each other, not to be ridiculed. Advice to those types: If you can't help, don't post - just move on!

My thanks again to the members who are able to, and do help!


BikeForums does ask that users of the Bicycle Mechanics forum make an effort to do their own research beforehand before posting a question or issue in the forums. This is to minimize repetitiveness of a certain topic or issue, and help eliminate those things that can be dealt with in no time at all via Google, Yahoo, etc.

The Moderators and members have also gone through the trouble of providing two stickies and a search engine which you obviously didn't take the time notice on the way into the Bicycle Mechanics forum in addition to not putting a public search engine to use.

1. https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ease-READ-THIS

2. https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread....com-shortcuts

3. https://www.bikeforums.net/search.php?search_type=1

You would be surprised at how helpful and happy to help BikeWise, myself, Operator and few others can be when the person who is asking for help has made an effort to help themselves to begin with.

As the old saying goes...

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Originally Posted by mrrabbit
BikeForums does ask that users of the Bicycle Mechanics forum make an effort to do their own research beforehand before posting a question or issue in the forums. This is to minimize repetitiveness of a certain topic or issue, and help eliminate those things that can be dealt with in no time at all via Google, Yahoo, etc.

The Moderators and members have also gone through the trouble of providing two stickies and a search engine which you obviously didn't take the time notice on the way into the Bicycle Mechanics forum in addition to not putting a public search engine to use..
That's a given for experienced forum members, and a wrong assumption of yours. I always do read the "read this first", and always search with keywords. In any case, does that justify unhelpful posts?

You would be surprised at how helpful and happy to help BikeWise, myself, Operator and few others can be when the person who is asking for help has made an effort to help themselves to begin with..
No surprise here - as I was pointing out:
There are some very knowledgeable and helpful, mature members in here, and I can't stress enough how grateful I am for their genuine efforts to help other, less experienced members.
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