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    Should a cassette arrive like this?

    I bought a 9-speed cassette online, and it came in like this:
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    The bag was ripped open too.
    I tried to fit the two separate sprockets onto the cassette, but found no way.
    Is this right?

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    The two loose cogs are inverted. Flip them over and try it again.

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    All cassettes have at least the two smallest cogs and the lockring as separate pieces.

    I assume you bought this cassette on e-bay or from some on-line seller as it seems to be a "grey-market" part, i.e. resold from some manufacturer's overstock. Comercially packaged cassettes come in boxes and are assembled on a post or other retainer that keeps everything in order.

    To install this cassette, place the grouped together cogs on the freehub body, then the larger of the two separate cogs with it's spacer side toward the larger ones, then the smallest cog, also with its spacer facing the others and then the lockring. You do realize thse cogs are "keyed" to the freehub body and the narrow spline on the body must be aligned with the narrow groove on the cogs?

    I assume your freehub body is an 8/9/10-speed version. If it's a 7-speed body the cassette wil be too wide to fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shimagnolo View Post
    The two loose cogs are inverted. Flip them over and try it again.
    Nothing fit on anything, either sides. Anyway, when I order a 9-speed cassette, am I to expect a cassette with 9 sprockets or a bag of loose parts?

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    The cogs don't actually fit together as one complete unit (like the old freewheels.) But once you put all the loose cogs on the hub they are made one by tightening the lockring.

    I actually disassemble my cassettes on purpose to get 8 loose cogs. This makes it possible to clean everything more thouroughly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Again View Post
    Nothing fit on anything, either sides. Anyway, when I order a 9-speed cassette, am I to expect a cassette with 9 sprockets or a bag of loose parts?
    I respectfully posit that you either have a wrong-speed cassette ( like you ordered a 9-Speed, but you have a 7-Speed), or you have no idea how to put a cassette on. There is nothing wrong with the cassette in your picture.

    I think you need a bike shop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Again View Post
    Nothing fit on anything, either sides. Anyway, when I order a 9-speed cassette, am I to expect a cassette with 9 sprockets or a bag of loose parts?

    YES! I never bought a 9spd shimano but my 7s and Campis look like that. your are putting it on a 9spd body right
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    Quote Originally Posted by HillRider View Post
    All cassettes have at least the two smallest cogs and the lockring as separate pieces.

    I assume you bought this cassette on e-bay or from some on-line seller as it seems to be a "grey-market" part, i.e. resold from some manufacturer's overstock. Comercially packaged cassettes come in boxes and are assembled on a post or other retainer that keeps everything in order.

    To install this cassette, place the grouped together cogs on the freehub body, then the larger of the two separate cogs with it's spacer side toward the larger ones, then the smallest cog, also with its spacer facing the others and then the lockring. You do realize thse cogs are "keyed" to the freehub body and the narrow spline on the body must be aligned with the narrow groove on the cogs?

    I assume your freehub body is an 8/9/10-speed version. If it's a 7-speed body the cassette wil be too wide to fit.
    Thank you very much for the precise instructions. After a bit of fiddling it fell into place!

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    The last cogs always come appart i dont know whats the problem, And yo uare getting lucky because the miche ones come in individual spacers and cogs so probably that could make more than bad??? Just put the cluster in, put the other 2 in there, then the lockring, is that a problem???

    The old 7 sp shimano HG came in 5 speed cluster and the last 2 plus the lockring just like the stuff u have in there, again, what is the big deal if the thing is new?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
    YES! I never bought a 9spd shimano but my 7s and Campis look like that. your are putting it on a 9spd body right
    Yes, I just received my new wheel set, ...and the 9 cogs fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FastJake View Post
    The cogs don't actually fit together as one complete unit (like the old freewheels.) But once you put all the loose cogs on the hub they are made one by tightening the lockring.

    I actually disassemble my cassettes on purpose to get 8 loose cogs. This makes it possible to clean everything more thouroughly.
    I tightened the lockring lightly by hand. Is there a special tool needed for that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jed19 View Post
    I respectfully posit that you either have a wrong-speed cassette ( like you ordered a 9-Speed, but you have a 7-Speed),
    Wrong, I ordered the right stuff.

    or you have no idea how to put a cassette on.
    Correct, which is why I needed intelligent advice.

    There is nothing wrong with the cassette in your picture.
    Wrong, because I reputable seller would have sent it properly assembled and aligned. But, as HillRider pointed out, I bought from a gray market outfit.

    I think you need a bike shop.
    Wrong again - what I needed was good advice, as provided by HillRider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Again View Post
    I tightened the lockring lightly by hand. Is there a special tool needed for that?
    Yes, there is a tool that you need to tighten the lockring to torque specification.

    I say to take your bike to a bicycle shop, so they can at least show you how to do it.

    Or, alternatively, you can look up "putting cassettes on bicycles" on You Tube.
    Regards,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Again View Post
    I tightened the lockring lightly by hand. Is there a special tool needed for that?
    Yes, you cannot put enough torque on the lockring with your bare hand.
    The smallest cog on this cassette is an 11 so you will need the special lockring made for the 11. I assume that is what you got.
    Most lockrings have the recommended torque shown on the lockring in neuton-meters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Again View Post
    Wrong, because I reputable seller would have sent it properly assembled and aligned. But, as HillRider pointed out, I bought from a gray market outfit.
    I have been buying cassettes for a long time, and what HillRider was talking about is "packaging", not assembling.

    In proper Shimano packaging, you still have to take the cassette apart from the plastic spline fitting to put it on your freehub.
    Regards,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jed19 View Post
    Yes, there is a tool that you need to tighten the lockring to torque specification.
    Oh great, another tool.

    I say to take your bike to a bicycle shop, so they can at least show you how to do it.
    Would that help, if I don't have the tool?

    Or, alternatively, you can look up "putting cassettes on bicycles" on You Tube.
    With or without the proper tool?

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    Note: the splines have 1 wider than the rest, and a narrow one right next to it.

    line all the cogs up to that.

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    If you plan to do any of your maintenance work you'll need that tool and others. You do not have to have a torque wrench, just be sure to get it tight enough. A loose cassette can damage an aluminum freehub, poor shifting performance, and lots of noise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Again View Post
    Nothing fit on anything, either sides. Anyway, when I order a 9-speed cassette, am I to expect a cassette with 9 sprockets or a bag of loose parts?
    There isn't enough space in the smallest cogs to rivet them together. AFAIK Even bulk (Shimano) cassettes come on a plastic post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Again View Post

    Wrong, because I reputable seller would have sent it properly assembled and aligned. But, as HillRider pointed out, I bought from a gray market outfit.
    It IS properly assembled, those last two sprockets never come attached to the cassette, for whatever reason. To have it assembled any further, it would have to be on the freehub body already.

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    Here's the Park Tool link for cassettes and freewheels/freehubs. You've got a freehub setup. http://www.parktool.com/blog/repair-...ewheel-removal

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    Again, If you don't plan to tinker with the cassette yourself, run by a bike shop and they'll tighten the lock nut, maybe for a small fee, maybe for free.

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    I would buy the tool if i was you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bezalel View Post
    There isn't enough space in the smallest cogs to rivet them together. AFAIK Even bulk (Shimano) cassettes come on a plastic post.
    That would be perfectly acceptable, because it would show how it is assembled. Loose in a plastic bag shows nothing to the first time buyer.

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