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Humor thread - no questions asked - just a story - a sad but funny story
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...dget-truing%29
In this thread I asked about budget truing. I have no truing stand. I have no dish gauge.
So I used zip ties on my bike cut to use as feelers for scrapes. I got the wheel pretty true (per the post above). It kept bothering me that my brakes didn't seem to have the same gap as before and I measured the distance between triangle to rim on both sides of the dropout - and it was off. I have old fashioned horizontal drops on my Salsa Casseroll - so if it is all the way back, everything should be centered.
So I went digging and found that I could make a dishing gauge with three cans and a stack of quarters on the dining room table. After some odd glances from my wife, I found that my non drive side was higher than my drive side.
So I open the Zinn roadbike book again, and look up dishing. So I figure out which spokes I'm supposed to tighten - and I go around and do that. After a couple of tries the wheel now has the same amount of quarters under the locknut on both sides.
Feeling good I put it back on the bike, reset my feelers and guess what, out of true. So I true it up - and being paranoid I go and put it back on my dishing gauge. Ackkk! 1 quarter off. So I go back through the dishing thing and you guessed it - out of true again. So I rinse lather and repeat. Can you tell I'm a little OCD?
Did I mention my son was helping me? I think he muttered, noooooo! at one point. Finally I catch on that if I dish with 1/2 of a spoke turn and if I true with 1/4 of a spoke turn - the truth lies somewhere in the middle. So I've got a perfectly true wheel (I even corrected for my one vertical hop) that is dished with the same space. It only took 4 hours.
You know they say that nooone will love your bike like you. Sigh.
In this thread I asked about budget truing. I have no truing stand. I have no dish gauge.
So I used zip ties on my bike cut to use as feelers for scrapes. I got the wheel pretty true (per the post above). It kept bothering me that my brakes didn't seem to have the same gap as before and I measured the distance between triangle to rim on both sides of the dropout - and it was off. I have old fashioned horizontal drops on my Salsa Casseroll - so if it is all the way back, everything should be centered.
So I went digging and found that I could make a dishing gauge with three cans and a stack of quarters on the dining room table. After some odd glances from my wife, I found that my non drive side was higher than my drive side.
So I open the Zinn roadbike book again, and look up dishing. So I figure out which spokes I'm supposed to tighten - and I go around and do that. After a couple of tries the wheel now has the same amount of quarters under the locknut on both sides.
Feeling good I put it back on the bike, reset my feelers and guess what, out of true. So I true it up - and being paranoid I go and put it back on my dishing gauge. Ackkk! 1 quarter off. So I go back through the dishing thing and you guessed it - out of true again. So I rinse lather and repeat. Can you tell I'm a little OCD?
Did I mention my son was helping me? I think he muttered, noooooo! at one point. Finally I catch on that if I dish with 1/2 of a spoke turn and if I true with 1/4 of a spoke turn - the truth lies somewhere in the middle. So I've got a perfectly true wheel (I even corrected for my one vertical hop) that is dished with the same space. It only took 4 hours.
You know they say that nooone will love your bike like you. Sigh.
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When it was finished, who got the quarters?
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hey, mon, been there- and i didn't even get a patch.
i recall spending several hours fighting with something. 2 or 3 were just
trying to think it through.
dragged a long-suffering neighbor in on it. he be a 'chinist and has a jet car
parked half in front of each of our houses.
HE had to do some thinnin', then offered up a suggestion. it wasn't zackly
what i was after, BUT it put me off on a tangent that worked.
i went to bed early that night.
the neighbor has been avoiding me.
thing is, it is done, looks/works great. give your boy a hug of thanks.
i've done the cable tie method, too (think i got it from the park blue book) and while
i didn't get it perfect, it was close enough to ride on for 6 months or so.
i recall spending several hours fighting with something. 2 or 3 were just
trying to think it through.
dragged a long-suffering neighbor in on it. he be a 'chinist and has a jet car
parked half in front of each of our houses.
HE had to do some thinnin', then offered up a suggestion. it wasn't zackly
what i was after, BUT it put me off on a tangent that worked.
i went to bed early that night.
the neighbor has been avoiding me.
thing is, it is done, looks/works great. give your boy a hug of thanks.
i've done the cable tie method, too (think i got it from the park blue book) and while
i didn't get it perfect, it was close enough to ride on for 6 months or so.
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Using just the wheel and frame, I determined my DS dropout was 2-3mm more outboard than the NDS one... ally frame, so no tweaking. At least it was in a favourable direction, so I dished my wheel to match the frame.
Neither dit it sit squarely in the frame, so some filing of the dropouts was also necessary... all done by eye, so it's not perfect, but it's a damn sight better than it was.
...Some of you may be dubious about that, but I assure you, I have my head around all the relevant considerations, and many pains were taken. Takes quite a bit of thought to ascertain what's going on just by dishing and flipping...
Neither dit it sit squarely in the frame, so some filing of the dropouts was also necessary... all done by eye, so it's not perfect, but it's a damn sight better than it was.
...Some of you may be dubious about that, but I assure you, I have my head around all the relevant considerations, and many pains were taken. Takes quite a bit of thought to ascertain what's going on just by dishing and flipping...
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