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    Anyone ever hook Shimano levers up to a campy groupo?

    Hello BF-

    I currently ride an early Scattante (year unknown... I know they're often kinda meh, but it's one of the very early ones- built on a columbus airplane tube set), which was decked out by the previous owner with a full campy groupset with chorus derailleurs, calipers, and record brake levers. I absolutely love the componentry (esp. since I nabbed the bike for a scant $440), but the Record levers, despite being awesome for sprinting, are just kind of uncomfortable. They're super narrow and I just never liked the feel of them.

    I recently borrowed a serocca for a few rides that had all ultegra/dura ace components and the levers were SOOOO much more comfortable over longer distances. I know that you can't just stick shimano on campy, but has anyone ever tried shifting campy bits with shimano levers? -I just love the ultegra (and really even the 105) lever ergonomics.

    Cliffnotes: nice campy groupo w/ uncomfy levers, anyone know if I could replace 'em with shimano's?

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    are you talking brake levers or integrated brake/shift levers?

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    Sorry- integrated brake/shift levers.

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    Maybe you could get better hoods? Changing to Ultegra STI levers will be:

    1) Expensive (have you priced them out lately?)
    2) Introduce compatibility issues with the derailers. You may be able to get around this with a shiftmate pulley, but most people seem to go the other direction - Campy levers with Shimano derailers.
    Why "derailer" is the correct way to spell the gear-change mechanism: sheldonbrown.com/derailer.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdgenbird View Post
    are you talking brake levers or integrated brake/shift levers?
    are they 8,9, or 10spd? like fastjake said a shiftmate can make it possible. there are other combinations that can work as well:
    http://www.ctc.org.uk/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabID=3946

    i love campy ergonomics. ive got a scattante with full record on it and know two other guys that ride record/chorus equipped scattantes. if you can, throw up a picture. mine is pretty early too as it was purchased from the supergo days, not performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by altecw View Post
    Hbut the Record levers, despite being awesome for sprinting, are just kind of uncomfortable. They're super narrow and I just never liked the feel of them.
    Assuming you have a 10 speed setup you can use third generation Campagnolo levers instead of the second generation parts you have now.

    You can pickup a set of 2010 Centaur Carbon Ultrashift levers for about $200 from shinybikes in the UK to preserve the Campagnolo 5 cog smaller shifting behavior, or if that's not important try a $104 set of Veloce Powershift levers although there's some confusion over 2011 lever/derailleur ratios.

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    Thank you all for the replies- I had no idea there was such a variety of brake/shift levers available.

    Attached is a photo from when I first got the bike/finished repairing what the PO had done to it (he rode it ~25 miles and, I **** you not, admitted to having never shifted it, the cassette came out okay, but the chain gave up the ghost pretty quickly). It's now also got a phyzik pav saddle, clipless pedals, and an easton EA70 stem (matching carbon bars sitting in the closet waiting for me to get off my lazy ass).

    On the covers though- I would be interested in just replacing the hoods if y'all think that'd make much of a significant difference-- I really just want something wider/more substantial than the standard record hoods.

    Edit: it is a 10spd.
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    You can probably sell those shifters for enough money to buy the newer more ergonomic veloce or centaur levers. I would go that route.

    Great looking bike. I love alloy campy 10spd.

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    Thank you! -She's definitely one of my better craigslist purchases.

    I'm kinda curious though, I was just looking at campy's website; does anyone have any broader experience with the differences between the veloce/centaur series levers- how's the feel? The website gave precious little in the way of finite product details.

    I'm also curious if anyone's had any experience with Hdz? I was just looking at their website and it seems like that might be a fairly simple solution to me problem.
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    Current veloce and centaur levers are nearly identical, they will feel the same. Look for 2010 centaur levers. These will give you the same multi shift ability you currently have. There will also be no compatability conserns. The verdict is still out on the 2011 and 2012 levers. Campy says no but some users say yes. Last I looked Shiny Bikes still had 2010 levers.

    I've got hudz on that shape lever and the change is more in the texture of the rubber than anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by altecw View Post
    Thank you all for the replies- I had no idea there was such a variety of brake/shift levers available.

    Attached is a photo from when I first got the bike/finished repairing what the PO had done to it (he rode it ~25 miles and, I **** you not, admitted to having never shifted it, the cassette came out okay, but the chain gave up the ghost pretty quickly).
    Your Record levers probably aren't "correct."

    You seem to have 1998 (second generation 9 speed) Record brake blades and front shift levers (also used on other groups after Record became carbon) with St. Tullio-approved silver anodized finish instead of the 1999 and newer carbon brake blade and black lever with the 10 speed switch occurring post carbon in 2000.

    Could be a conversion - Campagnolo sells the index cams and front ratchets (hopefully - they're a little different, and I found that without bending the lever I couldn't make a three cog upshift to the last cog using the 8 speed front ratchet with a 9 speed index) as small parts so lots of us made the 8->9 or 9->10 speed transition with the parts switch.

    Could be a retrofit. Campagnolo started printing "9 speed" or "10 speed" on front of the lever bodies (where it used to say "carbon BB system"). Some one could have added an alloy Record brake blade to a different shifter.

    What do the shifters have printed on the bodies and brake blades?

    Regardless, because they say "Record" and come in classic silver you can probably sell them for more than you'd spend on a set of 2010 Centaur levers imported from the UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew Eckhardt View Post
    Your Record levers probably aren't "correct."

    You seem to have 1998 (second generation 9 speed) Record brake blades and front shift levers (also used on other groups after Record became carbon) with St. Tullio-approved silver anodized finish instead of the 1999 and newer carbon brake blade and black lever with the 10 speed switch occurring post carbon in 2000.

    Could be a conversion - Campagnolo sells the index cams and front ratchets (hopefully - they're a little different, and I found that without bending the lever I couldn't make a three cog upshift to the last cog using the 8 speed front ratchet with a 9 speed index) as small parts so lots of us made the 8->9 or 9->10 speed transition with the parts switch.

    Could be a retrofit. Campagnolo started printing "9 speed" or "10 speed" on front of the lever bodies (where it used to say "carbon BB system"). Some one could have added an alloy Record brake blade to a different shifter.

    What do the shifters have printed on the bodies and brake blades?

    Regardless, because they say "Record" and come in classic silver you can probably sell them for more than you'd spend on a set of 2010 Centaur levers imported from the UK.
    Wow, Thanks!- all very good to know.... I honestly know/knew very little about the specific history of my componentry (I'm a bit new to road cycling, if that hadn't come through yet ). On the brake hub markings, that's actually one of the bike's only cosmetic flaws... there's a scratch on the tops of each of the hubs such that only read "speed" maybe it was a 9spd retrofit and the first owner just wanted to etch off the number. What problems might I face in using the more recent centaur/veloce levers in my older groupo- they're all still 10spd, right?

    The only centaur levers I've been able to find on shiny bikes are these- http://www.shinybikes.com/campagnolo...vers-2010.html .... with shipping and all, do you guys really think my old record's would be worth more than these suckers? If I'm remembering my pound/USD values right, they're not exactly inexpensive.

    Also- while we're on cycle chonology, I'm curious-- one of you folks had mentioned that you were familiar with scattante's use of the Airplane tubeset- so, when was my bike made??? I've never been able to find any info on it and would kinda like to know.

    Edit: I really wouldn't be surprised if the levers were 'incorrect' -I hadn't bothered mentioning it before, but my FD is actually "record" as well...so, my bike's kind of a campy hodgepodge
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    Its a Performance bike company made to sound Italian, name, but Not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
    Its a Performance bike company made to sound Italian, name, but Not.
    Well- yeah, I know that... I've shopped at performance and know that currently Scattante's are re-badged Fuji's. Mine however is not- it's a columbus tubeset assembled by performance which I can find no further information on because it appears to have been one of PB's first foray's into selling their own cycles--I was just curious if anyone knew when that was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by altecw View Post
    Wow, Thanks!- all very good to know.... I honestly know/knew very little about the specific history of my componentry (I'm a bit new to road cycling, if that hadn't come through yet ). On the brake hub markings, that's actually one of the bike's only cosmetic flaws... there's a scratch on the tops of each of the hubs such that only read "speed" maybe it was a 9spd retrofit and the first owner just wanted to etch off the number. What problems might I face in using the more recent centaur/veloce levers in my older groupo- they're all still 10spd, right?

    The only centaur levers I've been able to find on shiny bikes are these- http://www.shinybikes.com/campagnolo...vers-2010.html .... with shipping and all,
    Note that you don't pay VAT (20%).

    do you guys really think my old record's would be worth more than these suckers?
    My invoice looks like this (not including the tires)

    Quantity Price Total
    SKU17625, Campagnolo Centaur Ergopower Carbon Ultra Shift Levers 2010 1 GBP 121.18 GBP 121.18
    Tax: GBP 0.00
    Shipping: GBP 15.99

    Total = $214 US including a brand new set of shifter cables.

    Look at completed E-bay sales on 10 speed Record Ergo levers

    http://www.ebay.com/csc/i.html?_nkw=....c0.m270.l1313

    and note the prices - $200, $255, $220.50, $200 without cables.

    The $127.50 levers had crash damage, the $130 lever is a left only, the $165 were what got listed at the buy-it-now price, and the $281 levers are "red".

    There are no guarantees but you stand good odds of breaking even on the deal, especially if you were nearing cable replacement time.
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    Hey, none-too shabby, thank you for all that info as well!

    Given that mine are a good bit older and have some aesthetic imperfections I wouldn't be surprised if I had something of a gap to cover there, but that's certainly an attractive prospect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew Eckhardt View Post
    Your Record levers probably aren't "correct."
    I was going to mention this this morning but i was posting via cell phone and it would have taken too long.

    they do almost look like 9spd retrofits. more pictures would probably confirm.

    Quote Originally Posted by altecw View Post
    What problems might I face in using the more recent centaur/veloce levers in my older groupo- they're all still 10spd, right?

    The only centaur levers I've been able to find on shiny bikes are these- http://www.shinybikes.com/campagnolo...vers-2010.html .... with shipping and all, do you guys really think my old record's would be worth more than these suckers? If I'm remembering my pound/USD values right, they're not exactly inexpensive.
    those are absolutely the levers i would buy if i were given in your position. they are compatible, "record quality", and in many peoples opinion way more comfortable. pending the condition of your levers i would guess it to be a wash. i wouldnt wait on it too long. after 2010 the centaur levers were changed and no longer perform as well as these. most distributors are sold out of the 2010s.

    Quote Originally Posted by altecw View Post
    Also- while we're on cycle chonology, I'm curious-- one of you folks had mentioned that you were familiar with scattante's use of the Airplane tubeset- so, when was my bike made??? I've never been able to find any info on it and would kinda like to know.
    Quote Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
    Its a Performance bike company made to sound Italian, name, but Not.
    i suspect this is a "supergo scattante" and not a performance bike scattante. originally, supergo used the scattante name for their frames and the weyless name for their components. eventually performance bought out supergo and started selling the brand under their name.

    check the fork, if it is labeled weyless it was probably 2004 or earlier, if not it is probably later. i know this because i have a 2004 frame from the supergo era but my dad has a frame bought from performance shortly after. the forks are the same but branded differently.

    i believe performance was using a different brand name for their frames in the late 90s/early 2000s but the name currently escapes me.

    Quote Originally Posted by altecw View Post
    Given that mine are a good bit older and have some aesthetic imperfections I wouldn't be surprised if I had something of a gap to cover there, but that's certainly an attractive prospect.
    throw up some pictures and we may be able to give you a better idea. there is a hot market for alloy campagnolo 10spd shifters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdgenbird View Post
    those are absolutely the levers i would buy if i were given in your position. they are compatible, "record quality", and in many peoples opinion way more comfortable.
    Or "Super Record" quality if you prefer.

    Campagnolo made a running change which added ball bearings to all of the Ultrashift levers in 2009 and switched the 10 speed index disc design to one with more positive notches (which is why you only want 2010 levers).

    2010 Centaur Carbon Ultrashift levers have 10 speed index discs and front ratchets. They weigh 337g.

    2010 Chorus Ultrashift levers are identical except for 11 speed index discs + front ratchets and say "Chorus" and "11" on the brake blades. They weigh 337g.

    2010 Record Ultrashift levers are identical except they say "Record" on the brake blades and have two sexy cut-outs at the top of the lever. The ink and cutouts are worth a minimum of $40 for new parts. They weigh 337g.

    2010 Super Record Ultrashift levers are identical except they swap the rear ratchets for lighter parts, say "Super Record" on the brake blades, and get three sexy cut-outs on the levers. They weigh just 330g.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew Eckhardt View Post
    Or "Super Record" quality if you prefer
    7g is 7g

    in all seriousness if i had not just rebuilt my 10spd record levers to "red spec" i would consider buying centaur levers as well.

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