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Old 02-05-12, 07:17 PM   #1
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campy function question

There is a thread in the road forum where a guy was having issues with setting up record shifters. In that thread I got a bit confused when someone mentioned there are six adjustments for trim on record 11. I am going to assume chorus is basically the same set up as record, but I have one click for trim on the left lever behind the brake and one click of trim on the left thumb shifter. These two trim adjustments seem to work one for the big ring and the other for the small ring. Is this correct or were my shifters set up incorrectly?
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All depends of the shifter, veloce escape come with 3 positions, one up to the big chainring, then the middle and the next one for the small chainring.

If you are talking about chorus, then probably u have a problem. You should have more positions... at least 4 or 6 tiny clicks for trimming. If you have a escape mechanism them the situation changes, specially if you are talking about veloce. No idea about centaur escape for example because i never used it, the centaur i have is like record, ultra shift.

What brifters are u talking about?
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I have 2011 chorus 11. Like I said I thought it was a little off because in reading about the shifting on campys site it says you should be able to shift up through all of the gears in either the big or small ring and my is iffy as in it cannot be trimmed to avoid chain rub in more extreme gear positions if that makes sense. Then when I read the post on BF and someone mention six positions I really questioned the functionality of my set up. I guess I would like to know from a learning standpoint, but probably won't try to adjust it myself since I have a tendency to make matters worse when I try to fix bicycle issues, but the more info you experienced guys can shed the better informed I will be when I try and find someone to fix it, again thanks for any insight.
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Well, for example you have the chain in the big chainring... start tapping little by little the lever to move the fd cage to the inside...

Or even backwards... in the small chainring, just tiny taps to the lever and try to move the FD up little by little.

would you try to do that?? maybe is a user problem???
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I certainly will try it. it very well could be my issue, but being confused, I'd like to make sure it is actually functioning right. When "tapping little bits" should I feel distinct clicks or is it a smooth motion? It seems as thought mine has a very distinct click, once and the FD moves either left or right.
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I just put the bike on the trainer and no, it seems to be a very distinct click once to the left or once to the right. It really doesn't seems to have any adjustment between. It's times like this I wish there was someone close by with campy I could go look at their set up. At any rate can you explain what the issue might possibly be. I tried searching online and there doesn't seem to be much info available to the layman.
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So you only get 1 click, but it's enough to shift gears ? That's odd. My Chorus and 2009 Centaur have 5 clicks or so.
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I think I'll just have to wait until I can get the bike in to be looked at. It is functional and I probably read the info from the other post wrong. It is kind of hard to try and decipher what others mean through typing, kind of embarrassing for me.
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I certainly will try it. it very well could be my issue, but being confused, I'd like to make sure it is actually functioning right. When "tapping little bits" should I feel distinct clicks or is it a smooth motion? It seems as thought mine has a very distinct click, once and the FD moves either left or right.
Yes. When I shift from small chainring to large. I make one movement with the lever, but I feel 5 or 6 clicks in that 1 sweep of the lever.
When shifting to the small ring, I push the thumb shifter down all the way 1 time, and I feel all the little clicks again.
When the FD needs to be trimmed to prevent rubbing, then I shift just enough for 1 or 2 clicks as needed to stop the rubbing.
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Yes. When I shift from small chainring to large. I make one movement with the lever, but I feel 5 or 6 clicks in that 1 sweep of the lever.
When shifting to the small ring, I push the thumb shifter down all the way 1 time, and I feel all the little clicks again.
When the FD needs to be trimmed to prevent rubbing, then I shift just enough for 1 or 2 clicks as needed to stop the rubbing.
Thanks, Homebrew, reading your reply tells me my trim adjustment isn't working correctly and I feel no small clicks between small and big ring main sweep.
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Thanks, Homebrew, reading your reply tells me my trim adjustment isn't working correctly and I feel no small clicks between small and big ring main sweep.
Are you saying that when you shift from one front ring to the other that you do not feel clicks? It takes me a sweep of 3 clicks to shift my Record 10-speed. After shifting I have 1 additional click for trimming if needed.
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It could be many things, cable tension maybe??? Never seen a FD brifter to fail.. well I barelly use it but in general is the rd one that needs a rebuilt but the front one is rare.

Do you know if the cable tension is ok? If tension is off then you need to move the lever a lot more than needed and it could get you to something similar to what you are experiencing right now.

Where in IL are you BTW? I have a couple of friends in IL that speak campagnolo.
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It could be many things, cable tension maybe??? Never seen a FD brifter to fail.. well I barelly use it but in general is the rd one that needs a rebuilt but the front one is rare.

Do you know if the cable tension is ok? If tension is off then you need to move the lever a lot more than needed and it could get you to something similar to what you are experiencing right now.

Where in IL are you BTW? I have a couple of friends in IL that speak campagnolo.
I am in Princeton, about central in the state.
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Hi,

Just thought I'd chip in when I saw this post.

I've got 2010 Centaur ultrashift (so the clicks should be similar to your 11 speed - 2011 & 2012 centaur only have powershift which is the same as the old escape mechanism).

Anyway, when on the bike, the clicks on the left hand levers should feel identical to the clicks on the right hand - so as you sweep the lever behind the brake lever, you should get three clicks in the full throw. Similarly, on the thumb button, there should be five clicks on the full throw (note: if the ratchet is near it's limit, it'll only click as far as what's left).

So, with the right hand lever for the rear mech, on a 10 speed, you can sweep across the whole block with two sweeps of the thumb button, and back with three sweeps of the lever.

However, with the left hand front lever, you are restricted by the two limits of the front mech. Further, all left hand levers should have enough clicks/throw to cater for a triple - which will have limits further apart. But in this case, I'm talking double or compact.

With my setup, if I'm on the small ring, with the mech down on the limit screw, it takes 4 clicks to push it through to the upper limit screw (actually, I could increase the limits slightly to allow for five clicks between them, but this setup seems to work sweeter). So the 4 clicks from the bottom means there are 5 positions for the front mech. (with the 5 clicks, there would be 6 positions).

So that means I've effectively got 2 positions of trim for both rings - plus a middle position that helps out if I do get into an extreme cross-chaining. If I had gone with the 5-click setup (6 positions) then I get 3 positions of trim - but I found both the 'middle' trim positions no help.



I suggest removing the cable from the front mech and making sure the lever clicks identically to the right hand lever (even though I'm only using 4 or 5 clicks on the left lever, there are 9 clicks on the centaur, just like the right hand lever - you should have 10 on an 11-speed). Then take the lever all the way down to the bottom on the thumb button (no more clicks). Then, set up the front mech again as per campag's instructions: http://www.campagnolo.com/repository...derailleur.pdf
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g00se, thanks, your reply was helpful and I will check into what you posted, thanks again.
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A Record 11 or any other ultrashift left lever has 6 clicks available, but if set up properly, only 3 will ever be used for a double crank FD. Starting with the thumb buttom pushed all the way down, attach the cable to the FD, pulled tightly by hand. Apply enough additional cable tension so it only take 3 clicks to cover the full range of travel from the little ring to the big ring. A 4-click setup can also be used, but it's not quite what Campy intends.

There is really only one trim position - the middle click. On most bikes, there is no need to trim the FD to the left, from the big ring. You should be able to use all but the largest cog with no chain rub. From the little ring, the middle click will be needed to stop chain rub in some of the smaller cogs.
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A Record 11 or any other ultrashift left lever has 6 clicks available, but if set up properly, only 3 will ever be used for a double crank FD. Starting with the thumb buttom pushed all the way down, attach the cable to the FD, pulled tightly by hand. Apply enough additional cable tension so it only take 3 clicks to cover the full range of travel from the little ring to the big ring. A 4-click setup can also be used, but it's not quite what Campy intends.

There is really only one trim position - the middle click. On most bikes, there is no need to trim the FD to the left, from the big ring. You should be able to use all but the largest cog with no chain rub. From the little ring, the middle click will be needed to stop chain rub in some of the smaller cogs.
From this I assume Ultrashift will handle a triple crank using the remaining 3 clicks for the granny, even though Campy seems to have abandoned triples.
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Everyone, the info provided in this thread has been most helpful and I actually learned something on BF (). I have checked my set up according to the info provided and my set up is very close to the described answers. I could be a little off, but for the most part I think my set up is acceptable. Some of the problem is misinterpreting what others say and the other issue is me not really knowing what is right or wrong yet, but I am learning, thanks.
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Yes, it should. When I bought my first ultrashift lever, in late 2008, I measured the cable pull and it was about .650 inch. That's enough to operate a Campy triple FD. Campy still sells a triple crank, FD and rear derailleur, so they must make shifters to work with those parts. There's also supposed to be an Athena level 11 speed triple out soon, but it will probably have the less desirable powershift levers.
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Campy still sells a triple crank, FD and rear derailleur, so they must make shifters to work with those parts. There's also supposed to be an Athena level 11 speed triple out soon, but it will probably have the less desirable powershift levers.
Well, the "current" triples seem to be legacies rather then mainstream parts. They haven't been changed or updated to Campy's newer technology in a decade. The crank still uses a square taper bottom bracket which isn't all bad but certainly indicates a lack of interest.

The 11-speed Athena triple will be a welcome confirmation that Campy is interested in serving it's aging customer base.
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My guess is your setup is working as designed. Campy does not have indexing on the left side; IOW there are no shift clicks and trim clicks, they are all the same. On my Daytona shifter I shift from the small to the large in 4 clicks; each click is the same as it moves the front derailleur across from the small to the large chainring. I don't have any trim issues so I leave the shifter alone until I need to shift back, pushing the thumb tab with 4 clicks back. If you do need to trim, you just click the shifter up or down to quiet down the chain, but it's not a designated trim shift it's just one click forward or back.
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A Record 11 or any other ultrashift left lever has 6 clicks available, but if set up properly, only 3 will ever be used for a double crank FD. Starting with the thumb buttom pushed all the way down, attach the cable to the FD, pulled tightly by hand. Apply enough additional cable tension so it only take 3 clicks to cover the full range of travel from the little ring to the big ring. A 4-click setup can also be used, but it's not quite what Campy intends.

There is really only one trim position - the middle click. On most bikes, there is no need to trim the FD to the left, from the big ring. You should be able to use all but the largest cog with no chain rub. From the little ring, the middle click will be needed to stop chain rub in some of the smaller cogs.
Cool - thanks for that. I noticed on the link I gave above for the front mech installation instructions, that it says (in big bold font) "THE DERAILLEUR MUST WORK IN THREE STEPS". But it's unclear from that and from your reply as to whether that should be three clicks from one limit to the other (so there are four positions) or whether it is two clicks (and three positions)?

Just wondering if you could clarify?

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When I was riding yesterday, I felt 3 clicks (4 positions). There are probaly enough variations of components being used that some people will need 1 click more than someone else for a complete shift. For instance, on my rain bike, I'm using 1985 crank and front derailleur with my 2010 Centaur shifters. That probably takes an extra click due to the wider dimensions, but I haven't counted. Just set it up so it shifts properly and don't worry about it.
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Cool - thanks for that. I noticed on the link I gave above for the front mech installation instructions, that it says (in big bold font) "THE DERAILLEUR MUST WORK IN THREE STEPS". But it's unclear from that and from your reply as to whether that should be three clicks from one limit to the other (so there are four positions) or whether it is two clicks (and three positions)?

Just wondering if you could clarify?

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It takes a minimum of 3 clicks to cover the full range of travel. I guess I goofed in my description, because that is four positions.
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