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    Tool Talk

    I've ordered my first Campy group and am wondering what tool or adapter I might need for the cassette lockring?

    Also - the BB is an FSA MegaExo - integrated into the crank and similar to the DA 7800. What tool will I need to install and tighten?

    And, can anybody recommend a decent torque wrench appropriate for working on bikes? One that isn't terribly expensive.

    Thank you in advance.

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    You will need a lockring tool for the FSA bottom bracket. Park tool BBT-9 will do the job.

    http://www.parktool.com/tools/BBT_9.shtml

    Campy uses a cassette lockring with a unique spline pattern. I have Campy's own version in my toolbox. Park's BBT-5 will also do the job.

    http://www.parktool.com/tools/BBT_5.shtml

    A torque wrench is an investment. There are several good brands out there. Park's gets good reviews, as do the Craftmsan tools.
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    Has anyone used the TACX bottom bracket tools?

    http://www.tacx.nl/html/index.php?pageid=104

    The keys come with an axle and pressure spring that can be screwed into the cartridge to prevent keys from slipping and damaging the bicycle.

    Cartridge Tool
    T4415 Shimano M8x1
    T4420 Campagnolo
    T4425 *** & Thun SKF


    How well do they work?
    Last edited by wildjim; 12-21-04 at 12:16 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 55/Rad
    And, can anybody recommend a decent torque wrench appropriate for working on bikes? One that isn't terribly expensive.
    55/Rad
    If you want to torque everything, you'll likely need two torque wrenches - one for the lightweight jobs (1/4" drive) and one for heavy duty (3/8" drive). The two that Park makes (one light, one heavy) can be had for <$40 each, which is pretty cheap for a torque wrench. Similar Craftsman, as a reference, will run you at least $50, and most are even more expensive. Unless you are planning to do an incredible amount of work with this tool, you are right to go with the inexpensive ones. You can get the Parks here:

    http://www.biketoolsetc.com/index.cg...que%20Wrenches

    Also, if you are looking for hex bit sockets, I just found a nice set from Wiha which has:
    71996 9 Pc Hex Bit Metric Socket Set
    On Molded Socket Rail
    1/4" Drive - 1.5, 2, 2.5, 3, 4
    3/8" Drive - 5, 6, 8, 10

    This is a perfect set for bicycle work, and the bits are replaceable. It's at:

    http://www.wihatools.com/713mmsock.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by wildjim
    Has anyone used the TACX bottom bracket tools?
    T4420 Campagnolo
    How well do they work?
    I use this one, and it works a treat.

    Cheers...Gary

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmason
    I use this one, and it works a treat.

    Cheers...Gary
    Good News I am looking at the TACX Campagnolo Veloce tool as the Park(junk) tool slips off.

    Using the Park tool(junk) I had to improvise with PVC pipe and washers and the spindle bolt to hold the tool in place while tightening.

    It appears the TACX tool integrated all the necessary features.

    http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...id=20837&stc=1

    Thank You. . .

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    [QUOTE=wildjim
    Using the Park tool(junk) I had to improvise with PVC pipe and washers and the spindle bolt to hold the tool in place while tightening.
    [/QUOTE]


    Maybe if you took the time to look around you would find that the Park Tool will work fine if you just know how to use it properly. Thin bladed fixed cup spanners need a clamp - period. Stein Tool makes a clamp specifically for holding fixed cup wrenches (it will even clamp an adjustable wrench):

    http://www.jastein.com/Tools_for_Cranks.htm

    see "Fixed-Cup Wrench Clamp"

    Yes, you could probably make something that will substitute for the Stein tool, but I can tell you that the Stein tool works perfectly and I have used it with a BBT4 and it works great.

    You badmouth the Park BBT4 ($8.50) when comparing it to a very nice TACX BB tool ($29.95). The Campy tool costs $67.50. As has often been pointed out in this forum, you usually get what you pay for. You tried to get off cheap and now all you want to do is complain. Even the very expensive Campy tool is going to work much better with the clamp. Any thin fixed cup spanner is going to work just fine with a clamp and will give you nothing but problems if you don't use one. At the high end of the fixed cup spanner spectrum are offerings from Hozan and VAR that will run you upwards of $200 and are appropriate if you wrench for a living or want the very best for tools.

    Park, Pedros, Campy, VAR, Hozan, and Zog all make thin bladed fixed cup wrenches and all of these should be used with a clamp (~$40) or they will all be difficult to use. So, are all of these manufacturers making junk??? I don't think so. If you look in Barnetts at the list of tools suggested for "Fixed Cup Tightening", the tool at the very top of the list is the Stein FCC2 which I have referred to.
    If you buy the clamp then you can buy all the cheap fixed cup spanners you want and they will all likely work just fine.

    With all due respect, you are complaining about your own shortcomings - either as a mechanic or as to how much you want to spend to get the job done - and the specific tool you complain about has nothing to do with it. Would you cut steak with a butter knife? It would work, but there is a better and much easier way to do it.
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    [QUOTE=cascade168]
    Quote Originally Posted by wildjim
    Using the Park tool(junk) I had to improvise with PVC pipe and washers and the spindle bolt to hold the tool in place while tightening.
    [/QUOTE


    Maybe if you took the time to look around you would find that the Park Tool will work fine if you just know how to use it properly. Thin bladed fixed cup spanners need a clamp - period. Stein Tool makes a clamp specifically for holding fixed cup wrenches (it will even clamp an adjustable wrench):

    http://www.jastein.com/Tools_for_Cranks.htm

    see "Fixed-Cup Wrench Clamp"

    Yes, you could probably make something that will substitute for the Stein tool, but I can tell you that the Stein tool works perfectly and I have used it with a BBT4 and it works great.

    You badmouth the Park BBT4 ($8.50) when comparing it to a very nice TACX BB tool ($29.95). The Campy tool costs $67.50. As has often been pointed out in this forum, you usually get what you pay for. You tried to get off cheap and now all you want to do is complain. Even the very expensive Campy tool is going to work much better with the clamp. Any thin fixed cup spanner is going to work just fine with a clamp and will give you nothing but problems if you don't use one. At the high end of the fixed cup spanner spectrum are offerings from Hozan and VAR that will run you upwards of $200 and are appropriate if you wrench for a living or want the very best for tools.

    Park, Pedros, Campy, VAR, Hozan, and Zog all make thin bladed fixed cup wrenches and all of these should be used with a clamp (~$40) or they will all be difficult to use. So, are all of these manufacturers making junk??? I don't think so. If you look in Barnetts at the list of tools suggested for "Fixed Cup Tightening", the tool at the very top of the list is the Stein FCC2 which I have referred to.
    If you buy the clamp then you can buy all the cheap fixed cup spanners you want and they will all likely work just fine.

    With all due respect, you are complaining about your own shortcomings - either as a mechanic or as to how much you want to spend to get the job done - and the specific tool you complain about has nothing to do with it. Would you cut steak with a butter knife? It would work, but there is a better and much easier way to do it.
    It was "not" a "Fixed Cup" application was it. Park Tools are Junk in several examples and their Campagnolo Veloce Bottom Bracket Tool is an example. The cost of the tool is not the problem.

    The LBS has a Campagnolo Tool for Veloce Bottom Brackets which "operates as designed"($32) The Park Tool for this application is Junk.

    Perhaps the TACX is better still. That was the question and it wasn't asked of you.

    Use what you like and go play with your own shortcomings.
    Last edited by wildjim; 12-22-04 at 09:11 AM.

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