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    Them Carbon Steerer Tubes...

    Swapped stems, retightened the top cap's plug(the compression device located inside the steerer tube) because I noticed it had pulled out slightly, when all of a sudden, 'tink!'. Guessing a 'tink' noise translates into, 'that carbon fork's a goner!'

    Assuming it is: What do you think about using epoxy to glue an aluminum sleeve inside the carbon steerer tube? Would that stabilize any issues?
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    Trim 20mm of steerer tube?

    Already ordered a replacement fork, regardless. (LBS recommended)

    UPDATE:
    LBS clearly informed that full-carbon forks are NOT repairable under any circumstance, even through trimming. Once the 'tink' noisr presents, the fork must be replaced.
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    Some forks come with an aluminum insert which is glued in after cutting:

    http://www.alphaqbike.com/performanc...rtsystem_s.asp

    My Calfee has one of these.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GMM View Post
    Guessing a 'tink' noise translates into, 'that carbon fork's a goner!'
    Certainly not a good sign... although who knows? It might be fine.

    If there is a crack (which I'm afraid seems likely), and you can find it, both your proposed methods of repair seem like they'd stand a pretty good chance of working, if done well.

    If it turns out you have choice between adding material or removing it to fix the problem... that should be a no-brainer.

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    Maybe the compression plug slipped up? If the carbon is actually breaking I doubt it would make a tink, more like *crack* or *crunch*.

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    Depends on the size of the crack, not to mention all the other factors that have a bearing on the acoustics of it...

    How hard did you tighten the plug to cause this sound? Was the stem clamped around the steerer at the time?

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    How tight? I'm guessing between 3 and 5Nm's, the stem was slacked and the 'tink' noise was medium-loud.
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    Skip it... I don't think it's a good idea to fidle with carbon anything once a 'tink' noise presents.

    The replacement fork has an aluminum crown/steerer.

    Should friction compound also be used with aluminum steerer tubes; even with alloy stems?
    Last edited by GMM; 04-13-12 at 01:33 PM.

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    Purpose? in consumer level kit, sales.
    want the latest cutting edge stuff, from the pro race scene?

    that is the way they went..

    But You don't have to..

    The Carbon blade, alloy steerer tube combination is in between.
    all metal and all carbon, won't weigh a lot more..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shimagnolo View Post
    Some forks come with an aluminum insert which is glued in after cutting:

    http://www.alphaqbike.com/performanc...rtsystem_s.asp

    My Calfee has one of these.
    Seems like that should be standard on every full-carbon fork. Do you epoxy it in place?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
    Purpose? in consumer level kit, sales. , want the latest cutting edge stuff
    from the pro race scene?

    that is the way they went..

    But You don't have to..

    The Carbon blade, alloy steerer tube combination is in between.
    all metal and all carbon, won't weigh a lot more..
    I actually held off for a year before deciding on this frameset just because it included a full-carbon fork, which i really didn't think was such a good idea.
    in my opinion, carbon frames/forks blades = okay. steerer tubes/drops = no. I just don't think safety is worth shaving an extra 100-200 grams?

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    well there are $100 carbon forks , and there are $400+ ones
    alpha Q is on the higher end of the price spectrum.
    Calfee is not a discount frame either.

    yea 200 grams is a good weight for the sliced meat and cheese for a sandwich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GMM View Post
    Seems like that should be standard on every full-carbon fork. Do you epoxy it in place?
    It was NOS, and the frame/fork and been assembled once, so it was cut and the insert was already installed. The instructions stated epoxy was to be used, and I got the impression it was included when shipped. I just used spacers to accomodate the cut length when I built the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
    alpha Q is on the higher end of the price spectrum.
    sadly, not any more, they're gone

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    A tink'd fork is teh suck.

    The downside to the Alpha-Q insert is that it was a one time permanent deal. Once you cut and glued in the sleeve you couldn't ever change it.

    My Alpha-Q has a steel steer tube. I'll never tink this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unterhausen View Post
    sadly, not any more, they're gone
    Damn. Looks like they quit making forks at least 2 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmmdonuts View Post
    A tink'd fork is teh suck.

    The downside to the Alpha-Q insert is that it was a one time permanent deal. Once you cut and glued in the sleeve you couldn't ever change it.
    Their instructions allow removing up to 2cm after the insert is installed.

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    I got curious what Zinn was doing for tall forks now, since he used to sell a special Alpha-Q with a loooong steerer. Looks like Serotta is his current source: http://zinncycles.com/Zinn/index.php/components/forks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shimagnolo View Post
    Their instructions allow removing up to 2cm after the insert is installed.
    Ah. I didn't know they allowed for that.
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