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Old 04-26-12, 02:38 PM   #1
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tool for a Campagnolo 10 speed chain install

OK, I am heading to my LBS to buy a Centaur 10s chain.
I am being told that I should ONLY install this chain with a Campagnolo chain tool. This degree of specialization strikes me as getting silly, where some bit of biking hardware should A) cost $100 and B) require some obscure special (probably $200) tool just to install a pin.

On the other hand I do not want my wife riding on an unsafe chain (if I just used my all purpose Fizer chain break to do the job.)

can anyone advise as to whether I would be foolish to skip the Campy chain tool?
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I agree that Campy's insistance on their special chain tools, which they obsolete and replace with even more expensive ones at frequent intervals, is extremely annoying. As an alternative, Park makes a good substitute chain tool, the CT-4.2 ,that is suitable for use whth Campy chains at much less cost.

However, a better choice, in my experience, is a Wippermann 10-speed chain. They shorten with any decent chain tool and reconnect with their Connex master link. No exotic or specialized tools needed. I've had excellent service using Wippermann chains on my Chorus 10-speed bike for almost 20,000 miles. They are durable and shift extremely well.

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The re rivet the pin head function is not needed, if you
as said above, use a New chain and the quick link..

though Rohloff also makes a chain tool to head the end of the pins too.
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Old 04-26-12, 06:14 PM   #4
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OK, I am heading to my LBS to buy a Centaur 10s chain.
You'll spend a lot less money ordering it from your favorite UK supplier (ribble, shinybikes, etc.) although it'll take a few days to arrive.

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can anyone advise as to whether I would be foolish to skip the Campy chain tool?
Universal Cycles sells Campagnolo 10 speed KMC Missing Links for $3 each which install without tools.

http://www.universalcycles.com/shopp...s.php?id=16793
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I agree that Campy's insistance on their special chain tools, which they obsolete and replace with even more expensive ones at frequent intervals, is extremely annoying. As an alternative, Park makes a good substitute chain tool, the CT-4.2 ,that is suitable for use whth Campy chains at much less cost.

However, a better choice, in my experience, is a Wippermann 10-speed chain. They shorten with any decent chaint tool and reconnect with their Connex master link. Noe exothic or specialized tools needed. I've had excellent service using Wippermann chains on my Chorus 10-speed bike for almost 20,000 miles. They are durable and shift extremely well.
+1,

I also use wippermann chains. Besides saving on a useless tool, the Conex reusable connector make it easy for me to rotate 3 chains every 1,000 miles. This greatly lengthens the life expectancy of the drive train, plus is convenient, since I can do a thorough clean and lube while the chains are on deck off the bike.
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You can use the park tool with the campagnolo chain.
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You can use the park tool with the campagnolo chain.
Yeah, I said that in the second post.
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I use a Shimano 10-speed chain tool with the Campy 5.9 Ultra Narrow chain and reconnect the chain with the Campy 10-speed pin that comes with the chain. But actually any chain tool with the correct size pin punch will work if you are careful to keep the tool aligned concentrically with the new pin.
This is not true for Campy 11-speed though.

The only time I remove a chain is when I replace it.

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For 10-speed Campy chain installation, I use my Park Tool CT-5, which is their small one. To keep the chain from climbing out (which the Campys seem prone to), I hold the chain down into the tool with an arc-joint plier. We've actually got the "official" Campy 10sp tool too, but its only claim to fame is the built-in hold-down feature.

If you had the 11-speed Campy chain, then it's time for the real McCoy (or an equivalent specialty chain tool specifically made to work that way), because they're a whole 'nother deal.
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KMC chains and links have been good to me.
As much as I like Campy, I ain't buying their chains.
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As an alternative, Park makes a good substitute chain tool, the CT-4.2, that is suitable for use with Campy chains at much less cost.
Campy chains with the OEM connector (called a HD Link) are not meant to be taken apart. When you buy the chain it will include a use once connector similar to a Shimano connector pin, except the pilot pin is set into the rivet, not attached and broken later. Campy also recommends that you only remove extra links from one side (so the plates where the pin was pushed out is discarded). A lot of riders like the convenience of a re-usable connector and many of the connectors out there are rated for Campy chains. Be advised however that their is when redesigned their Campy 10s chain to Ultra Drive, they reduced the inner plate dimension by .1mm. the same as SRAM 10S. Most of the compatibility claims of connectors for Campy 10s where for the old wider inner plate so they may rattle around a little. I have tested the SRAM 10S connector (which labeled single use) and it fits without any play. Anyway I used the Park CT-3 with Centaur Ultra drive chain and it works fine; there is a step by step explanation here at Park Tool (where else) http://www.parktool.com/blog/repair-...railleur-bikes scroll down to Campagnolo® 10-speed Chains. I think is the best advice is if your are going to use a Campy chain with the HD link plan on keeping the chain on the bike for cleaning or pretty much any other purpose. While I may experiment from time to time, I tend to connect chains the way the manufacturer says; just me

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Old 04-27-12, 03:51 PM   #12
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Get rid of the Campy chain and replace with a Wipperman. I have one on my Campy Daytona drivetrain and it works great. No tools needed once it's the right length.
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Get rid of the Campy chain and replace with a Wipperman. I have one on my Campy Daytona drivetrain and it works great. No tools needed once it's the right length.
Do you get 5000-6000 miles out of those like Campagnolo chains, or do they work more like other chains that stretch in half that?
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Do you get 5000-6000 miles out of those like Campagnolo chains, or do they work more like other chains that stretch in half that?
I get that much and way more out of a Wippermann chain before it stretches to the replacement point. I run the chain and cassette together until the "stretch" is 1% and then replace both. Since I use lower line cassettes (105 or Veloce) I'm not damaging a high cost cassette and see no reason to pay for a bunch of chains to protect the cassette.
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I only have 1000 miles on the chain, it seems fine so far.
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KMC chains and links have been good to me.
As much as I like Campy, I ain't buying their chains.
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You can use KMC's chain and link or just the link on another chain. No worries.

They also make an 11 speed chain (X11SL, X11L) with a tool-free connecting link.
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