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    Seeking new cone for old hub

    I have an older Trek 820 mountain bike that I recently picked up for my daughter. (Early 90s? - it has a cup and cone bottom bracket.) The left cone in the rear hub has some pitting and I would like to replace it. Problem is, I don't know exactly what I have so I'm having trouble figuring out if any of the current offerings will work. Of course, the sticker that used to be on the hub is long gone.

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    What I do know:

    - It's a 126 mm hub. It came with a 7-speed cassette.
    - nine 1/4" bearings on each side
    - dust cap says Shimano FH-HG20
    - the cone is 15.4 mm long and 17 mm in diameter
    - axle appears to be 10 mm diameter with about 10 threads/cm (but I don't have a thread gauge)
    - the front hub still has its sticker, which says Shimano HB-RM50 sealed mechanism

    Thanks!

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    You have a very conventional Shimano 7-speed hub. The axle is indeed M10x1.0 (10 mm diameter x 1.0 mm thread pitch) with 9x1/4" balls/side and both are absolutely standard. Take the axle and the cone to a decent bike shop and see if they can match it and/or come up with a suitable replacement.

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    If they don't have it locally these folks most likely do. http://wheelsmfg.com/products/all-cones.html

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    I would prefer to order online if I can identify what I need. I'm a little frustrated with my LBS right now....

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    Hub cones are one of those things where visually matching the length and angle are critical for best performance.

    Wheels Mfg. for example doesn't show your particular part in their line of replacements. This is where going to a
    LBS to see if they have the part is going to work best. If not, then the next step is to either replace the wheel, or find
    a wheel at the bike co-op with the same hub, then use those hub parts (if they're in good condition).

    I might have a decent HG-20 rear hub with a shot rim; if you can't find the cone locally send me a PM and I'll look for you.

    Cheers!

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    Thanks oldskool. I'm guessing I can get this one to work, but I'll let you know.

    Is it typical for bike shops to have a selection of cones in stock at any given time? If not, how do they identify the best replacement part? Do they typically have a visual reference that they can lay the cone over to see if it's a match?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spld cyclist View Post
    Is it typical for bike shops to have a selection of cones in stock at any given time? If not, how do they identify the best replacement part?
    Do they typically have a visual reference that they can lay the cone over to see if it's a match?
    Generally shops will keep a selection of cones in stock for the most current (and 'popular') hubs, but may have to special order cones
    for older hubs. The only way to be sure of an exact match is physically matching the old one to a new one. In your case, you
    definitely have an older hub, but fairly common on many bikes. That's why the 'pretzeled wheel' route may be the most economical
    way to go, but totally based on the condition of the donor hub. If you have a co-op in your area, take a look at a couple and spin them
    in your fingers.

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    I recently went through an old Schwinn hub. Finding cones for it online seemed nearly impossible, one of the newer LBS who didnt have a pile of old stuff laying around couldnt figure what to order either. I finally brought a couple of beers into one of the older shops and asked to scrounge through there old bin of extras. After digging for ~15min I found some that matched up "close enough".

    So,,, go to the LBS.

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    Since this is a Shimano hub and all Shimano hubs use the same 9x1/4" bearing ball count, the "angle" will all be the same for any Shimano hub cone as will the threading. What will vary is the length of the cone nut and the interface with any dust caps or O-ring seals. You may have to find a near-miss and use spacers to get the correct locknut location.

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    Thanks for the advice. I'm going to call around to see if any LBS have a selection of cones for me to look at. If I don't come up with anything, I will take a chance on internet ordering something that looks close. I am confident I can match the physical dimensions (length and diameter of the entire part), but I don't know about the dimensions and curvature of the bearing surface. HillRider - is that what you mean by angle? This cone has no o-ring seal, so that isn't an issue.

    Loosescrews.com has a Wheels Manufacturing cone (CN-R024) that it says fits several Shimano hubs, including the HG20: http://www.loosescrews.com/index.cgi...id=78862384266 That may be the one I try if I order online. Other vendors don't list HG20 as compatible with this cone, though.

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    Yes, the curvature of the cone where the bearing balls run was referred to a "angle" in a posting above so I just reused the term. I guess it was a bit misleading. The Wheels Mfg. cones should work fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spld cyclist View Post
    Thanks for the advice. I'm going to call around to see if any LBS have a selection of cones for me to look at. If I don't come up with anything, I will take a chance on internet ordering something that looks close. I am confident I can match the physical dimensions (length and diameter of the entire part), but I don't know about the dimensions and curvature of the bearing surface. HillRider - is that what you mean by angle? This cone has no o-ring seal, so that isn't an issue.

    Loosescrews.com has a Wheels Manufacturing cone (CN-R024) that it says fits several Shimano hubs, including the HG20: Loose Screws Bicycle Small Parts That may be the one I try if I order online. Other vendors don't list HG20 as compatible with this cone, though.
    Wondering whether you ever got these cones and tried them? I'm faced with the same problem on a friend's bike that I am working on. Both rear cones are pitted slightly. I went to the LBS I normally go to, and even though they are a Shimano Pro Shop, couldn't figure out what I had and did not have a close match. The CN-R024 looks to be the best match of anything I can find online as well. Shimano's techdocs no longer has any info on Exage either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pars View Post
    Wondering whether you ever got these cones and tried them? I'm faced with the same problem on a friend's bike that I am working on. Both rear cones are pitted slightly. I went to the LBS I normally go to, and even though they are a Shimano Pro Shop, couldn't figure out what I had and did not have a close match. The CN-R024 looks to be the best match of anything I can find online as well. Shimano's techdocs no longer has any info on Exage either.
    I didn't try them. I ended up not replacing the cones. Just reassembled the hubs with new bearings to see how it would go. The hubs were surprisingly smooth following reassembly, adjusted so there is just the tiniest hint of play before the QR is locked down.

    The bike hardly gets any mileage, so I expect the repair will last indefinitely. It's my daughter's and she just isn't interested in cycling.

    Edit: To be clear, you should read "surprisingly smooth" to mean "not nearly as rough as I expected."

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    Pars,

    That is typical of Shimano... they have been doing that since the 90's. It's otherwise known as "planned obsolescence".

    Your best bet, as stated before, is to find a kacked wheel with the same hub, and strip it for parts. I suspect that there are many out there,
    ready to sacrifice their innards to provide you with the proper replacement pieces...

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    Thanks for the input/info. I think I will probably try the Wheels Mfg. cones. Mine measure 15mm x 16.9mm, so pretty much an exact match. Both cones appear to be the same, and the LBS agreed. I had rebuilt the wheel as it is with new bearings but wasn't satisfied with the adjustment (couldn't get it to no play when in the frame). I could also feel the pitting do disassembled to take a better look. The pits are small, but I could feel them when spinning the axle. The axle appears to be slightly bent, hard to see. Not sure if it is worth bothering to replace or not as well. Looks like about $25 in parts for axle and 2 cones. Already had bearings (g25). Otherwise I will just put it back together as is. I'll see what my friend (bike owner) wants me to do. I don't have ready access to a coop here to look for knackered wheels, otherwise I would have.

    Maybe riding old Campy isn't so dumb

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    I tried the Wheels Manufacturing CN-R024 cones in this hub and even though they match up dimensionally, no go. Something about the way the cones are ground compared to the originals doesn't match up, even though they are both Shimano and 1/4" balls. Tight, felt like they were locking up even though there was still play.

    I found an older Wheels Manufacturing catalog and it appears that the CN-R005 cone is the visually exact match, but then again, I can't be sure about the angle/grind, and the fact that this cone is discontinued. The originals look exactly like the ones the OP posted pics of in post 1 above.

    I had gotten a pair of cones at the LBS which feel like they will work, but require 1.5mm more spacing per side, so I'll get a pair of 1mm spacers and go with those.

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