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Old 09-20-12, 12:20 PM   #1
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What are these tools?

Hey gang,

I'm being offered some vintage Campy tools as part of a sale/barter, and I need some help identifying what they are/can do:



So from my limited knowledge, I see (top to bottom):

* left side: fixed-side BB lockring remover? right side: 15mm wrench (this looks kinda thin like a cone wrench; is it tough enough to be a pedal wrench?)

* Just a box wrench? Is it a specific size for a particular part?

* ??? Some kind of small pin spanner?

* Left side: BB lockring tool, right side, large wrench intended for ???

* Upside-down spoke wrench? Or maybe a nut-driver, useful size for brake/FD/RD cable bolts?

More important question: How many of these tools would I be able to use on the Gran Sport gruppo on this 1970 Falcon?

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I'll answer a few but I don't want to hog all the thread. 1) yes indeed it is a fixed cup wrench and yes it is tough enough to be a 15mm pedal wrench. 2) Affectionately called a Peanut Butter wrench, it has a 15mm box end; originally used on 15mm Campy crank bolts (the Japanese standard is 14mm), but is also useful for 15mm track nuts.
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I'll answer a few but I don't want to hog all the thread. 1) yes indeed it is a fixed cup wrench and yes it is tough enough to be a 15mm pedal wrench. 2) Affectionately called a Peanut Butter wrench, it has a 15mm box end; originally used on 15mm Campy crank bolts (the Japanese standard is 14mm), but is also useful for 15mm track nuts.
Thx; why is it called a "Peanut Butter wrench"? I suppose it looks about right for double-duty as a PB spreader if I want a snack while I'm wrenching!

So as is, the 15 box wrench would not be useful for the "upgraded" 600 crankset (not sure what the BB is inside), but if I "downgraded" to something more age-appropriate, it could be useful?
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The PB wrench would be useful on any crank that has 15mm crankbolts. Sometimes the crankbolts get switched to a different size over the years. That lot of tools would fetch ~$100-$140 if sold seperately I think. Vintage campy headset and bottom bracket wrenches are desirable, as well as the PB wrench and the T wrench. The small wrench is a chainwheel bolt wrench, for holding the back of the bolt as you tighten the front.
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Thx; why is it called a "Peanut Butter wrench"? I suppose it looks about right for double-duty as a PB spreader if I want a snack while I'm wrenching!

So as is, the 15 box wrench would not be useful for the "upgraded" 600 crankset (not sure what the BB is inside), but if I "downgraded" to something more age-appropriate, it could be useful?
2 of the tools are used with loose ball bottom brackets; so since your Shimano 600 (looks to be the EX 600 series) is loose ball. However as mentioned before the Shimano Japanese)the crank bolt will be 14mm, but if you decide to swap them out for 15mm bots the PB wrench. As you guessed the PB name comes from the shape and alternate usage. It was not unusual at the time for the riders to carry peanut butter with them to eat (the vintage version of Power Bars), but rather than make sandwiches, they would spoon it out or use the handle of the Campy crank bolt wrench and eat it (mixing it with wine and between cigarettes of course). Other than that the T wrench is designed to be used where ever you need an 8mm socket or 6mm Allen wrench and the chainring tool can be used with any chainring bolts.

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That's a collectors item, itself, if it's a deal breaker you might sell the tools as an origional campy tool set and come out ahead, but an unused or complete set of oem tools is interesting. ymmv

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Yes thanks, I appreciate that the tools have collectible value, but I'm actually most interested in whether they will be of use for restoring/wrenching my Falcon. Currently I have no campy-specific tools, so it's either the modern/Shimano/SRAM-oriented stuff from my Nashbar Essential Toolkit, or nothin. It sounds like these would indeed be useful to me, and probably they are of very high quality, so I think I'll take 'em!
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Yes thanks, I appreciate that the tools have collectible value, but I'm actually most interested in whether they will be of use for restoring/wrenching my Falcon. Currently I have no campy-specific tools, so it's either the modern/Shimano/SRAM-oriented stuff from my Nashbar Essential Toolkit, or nothin. It sounds like these would indeed be useful to me, and probably they are of very high quality, so I think I'll take 'em!
The Campy tools will work on the vast majority of components from that era. They also hold their resale value well, so if it turns out they don't work for you, you probably won't lose much if anything in re-selling them.
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Thx; why is it called a "Peanut Butter wrench"? I suppose it looks about right for double-duty as a PB spreader if I want a snack while I'm wrenching!
That's exactly why it's called a peanut butter wrench. Back in the era when cyclists were less finicky it was common practice to use the handle to scoop peanut butter, and either spread it on bread or eat it straight from a jar, maybe with a banana.
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Thx for your advice guys, I made the deal. In a sense, the set is costing me $100, because that's how far I agreed to come down on the price in return for the tools being thrown in. But in my mind I can deduct from that tool cost whatever amount I may have come down from my asking price through pure haggling. Given the prices I see on eBay for similar tools, I am very happy that the transaction is a good value for me, although I don't plan on flipping them. Rather I look forward to lifelong use of some very high quality (and attractively designed) tools.

(Hopefully this doesn't get me hooked on vintage tools, in which case this first taste could cost me big time in the long run!!)
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I made the deal. In a sense, the set is costing me $100, because that's how far I agreed to come down on the price in return for the tools being thrown in.
Did you ask if he has the missing #712/1 tool to complete the set?

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I didn't ask, he said he's just throwing in all the tools he bought 30 years ago when he was working on an old peugot. He is throwing in a few freewheel extractors as well, I think I'm getting everything that he doesn't need for his modern bike.
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