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Old 09-28-12, 08:56 AM   #1
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20 Darwin Award candidates AKA unscrupulous seller of snake oil

Please observe the perfidity of this snake-oil seller. In addition to the fact that his crank offers zero advantage compared to a crank with the same distance between BB and pedal spindles, there's the fact that the products he is about to sell are unsafe and possibly life-threatening!
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I tried to warn the powers to be, using the "Report this project to Kickstarter" button at the bottom of the page, but will they listen to one person only?

Or maybe I should leave evolution to take its course and remove or permanently incapacitate those too dumb to understand basic physics?
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LOL, "Darwin Award" might be over-dramatic, but it's interesting to see someone re-invent the PMP L-cranks: http://pardo.net/bike/pic/mobi/d.pmp-cranks/index.html
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LOL, "Darwin Award" might be over-dramatic, but it's interesting to see someone re-invent the PMP L-cranks: http://pardo.net/bike/pic/mobi/d.pmp-cranks/index.html
If a crank snaps at the wrong moment, the rider might be surprised/startled enough to fall.

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Judging from the video, it looks like it may simply increase your effective gear inches.
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Judging from the video, it looks like it may simply increase your effective gear inches.
And maybe, if you look carefully, it might even make you fart rainbows?
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And maybe, if you look carefully, it might even make you fart rainbows?
It's well known that rainbow farts have more propulsive energy than the regular ones.
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"Scam" is one of the appropriate terms to suck in gullible cyclists.

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Judging from the video, it looks like it may simply increase your effective gear inches.
Flunk math ? The video shows a person riding a bike. Gear inches are determines by the gears.
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The institutional memory of the bike world is less than 20 years, so every so often the same old nonsense is brought out as the latest and greatest. Z cranks in one form or another have been around, and will be around again in 20 years or so.

One clue to how totally clueless the "inventor" is, is that he's tooling this for obsolete square taper system. (Not a statement about the quality of sq. taper cranks -- I still prefer them, but why bring out a new product mated to a fading star?)
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"Scam" is one of the appropriate terms to suck in gullible cyclists.
I like the world of cycling, and cyclists in general, but there is a large minority (or is it a majority?) that will throw money at any and every kind of carp, especially if expensive.


I wish every cyclist were also a smart person like Sheldon Brown or Graeme Obree, who actually understand physics!
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But notice the inherent beauty of the "iconic ladder structure of our aluminum Z-Torque crank "
Imagine how your cycling buddies will be awed by the soon-to-come carbon fiber version.
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One clue to how totally clueless the "inventor" is, is that he's tooling this for obsolete square taper system. (Not a statement about the quality of sq. taper cranks -- I still prefer them, but why bring out a new product mated to a fading star?)
He's been working on it for 12 years ....

People have actually given him money

Let's see ..... I would like a crankset that is heavier than my current crank, and is more flexible .... hmmmm... How can I accomplish that ??
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Dang, biggest problem I have with this is I make my living as an ME.
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I don't get this crank couldn't someone gain about the same amount of additionl leverage by just buying a 5mm longer stiffer better quality crank.
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I don't get this crank couldn't someone gain about the same amount of additionl leverage by just buying a 5mm longer stiffer better quality crank.
That's the point. There is no advantage to them.
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I don't think this is a "Darwin Award" candidate as much as a "P. T. Barnum Award" candidate.
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I don't think this is a "Darwin Award" candidate as much as a "P. T. Barnum Award" candidate.
It wouldn't be, if the cranks weren't made of drillium or, soon, CF.
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But they look cool. I'd like a set to sell on Ebay as a NASA-supported prototype crank set from the 80's that was banned due to the unfair advantage it gave riders who could afford the technology. All Z-cranks were ordered destroyed. This is the only surviving example. Smuggled out of the lab by Nancy Reagan herself during a PR tour.

I'd make a killing.
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I emailed him to ask how the scam is coming along.
Does he have to give back the money if the total pledge amount is not met ?
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I try not to laugh at my fellow cyclists, but jebus.. I think I would if I saw those on someones bike.
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Yeah, but not if he also had oval chainrings.

BTW- It's a good thing I'm a thick skinned New Yorker, or I might be offended by the reference to snake oil.
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Yeah, but not if he also had oval chainrings.

BTW- It's a good thing I'm a thick skinned New Yorker, or I might be offended by the reference to snake oil.
That might cause an aneurysm.
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Yeah, but not if he also had oval chainrings.

BTW- It's a good thing I'm a thick skinned New Yorker, or I might be offended by the reference to snake oil.
What? Is that the secret ingredient in Chain-L? Ground up snakes? Does Samuel L. Jackson give you a call every time he gets on a plane that has too many snakes on it?
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What? Is that the secret ingredient in Chain-L? Ground up snakes? Does Samuel L. Jackson give you a call every time he gets on a plane that has too many snakes on it?
Ya got me. But they're not courtesy of Samual Jackson. They were surplus after production of one of the Raiders... flicks.
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I emailed him to ask how the scam is coming along.
Does he have to give back the money if the total pledge amount is not met ?
there is no money if the total is not met
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