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Old 09-30-12, 07:35 PM   #1
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Help me build up my 2007 Jamis Nova

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I decided that this winter would be a great time to build my first bike. I have done some maintenance on my mtb before and am comfortable doing my own wrenching (with advise and some youtube vids). Here is the goal: I want to build this bike with a triple crank, shimano tiagra or 105 shifters and front derailleur. For the rear derailleur I would like to use something that would allow me to use a 32t rear cog. I should also mention that this is a budget build and just about everything will be used, so please keep that in mind when making suggestions.

Keeping all that in mind, the reason for this thread is to get periodic help through my project. At this point all I have is the frame and fork. Its a 2007 Jamis Nova cx bike.

1st step: As I mentioned I have the frame and fork but I dont have a headset to hold the fork in place. What should I be looking for? What are the different types of headsets? Any and all info related to headsets would be appreciated.
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Old 09-30-12, 10:18 PM   #2
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Just to clarify I know that I need a 1 1/8 threadless headset but I don't know what different types or styles there are or what the cost and benefits of them are. Thanks
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Just to clarify I know that I need a 1 1/8 threadless headset but I don't know what different types or styles there are or what the cost and benefits of them are. Thanks
For headset types, you can see the common types here http://www.canecreek.com/headset-fit...p=2&lastStep=1

Back in 2007, intergrated were not as common as they are today, and all the pictures I can see from Googling the bike show that it has a traditional type.

For benefits of the type, this is not an issue, as you can only fit the type specific to your frame to your frame; for costs, high end = Chris King / Cane Creek 110, good value = FSA Orbit / Cane Creek 10, take your pick, this is one part would look at getting as new even, as it's hard to tell what condition a used one will be in, and the cost for a basic FSA is minimal.

Would look the costs of your project vs buying a complete / doner bike (Bikes Direct?), as building is always more expensive than buying complete, can you get all the part you need cheaper used than getting a complete new bike?
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I'd recommend Ergos for shifting a triple. Indexed front shifting can be a PITA to set up to work well, particularly with a triple. Ergo front shifting is essentially friction, allowing you to easily avoid chain rub, and set-up is a breeze. Of course, Campy cog spacing is a hassle, so Shimergo FTW: http://www.ctc.org.uk/desktopdefault.aspx?tabid=3946

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I should also mention that this is a budget build...

At this point all I have is the frame and fork.
You should probably find a second-hand bike in decent nick with most of the parts you want, and sell the rest; building a bike from parts bought one by one is a rich man's game. Conversely, you can actually make money by buying whole bikes and selling them as parts.
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Building a bike from scratch with used parts encompasses the worst of two worlds - the relatiive time and money expense of selecting, purchasing and installing (possibly with rarely used tools) compatible parts into a properly functioning bicycle; and acquiring used parts that do not have function problems, not all of which you may be able to detect. After all, if somone is selling used equipment it's for a reason. In addition we don't even know if your frame and fork are in proper alignment.

Even transferring parts from one bike to another is not necessarily straightforward. I would advise you to sell the frame to someone else who thinks a from-scratch build is a good idea, then buy a used bike that is only in need of overhaul and basic truing.

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Yeah, actually, there are many pitfalls for the uninitiated.

Still, if you're keen, you can avoid most of them with lots of research and attention to detail.
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@JimC101
Thanks for the link and all the useful info on headsets.

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I hadn't thought of going with ergos, thats an idea I will have to look more into.

Thanks for all the input so far everone. I realize that building a bike used from used parts is probably not what most would consider a smart move. I am doing it because I have lots of time and can afford to spend 50 here and 50 there and am in no hurry to get it done. I am also doing it because I want to learn how build/repair bikes and figure this would be the best way to learn; hands-on and at my own pace. And while I am going to be procuring the vast majority of my parts from craigslist, that doesn't always mean used; here in Denver there is healthy amount of new parts or new bike takeoffs being sold. and I have done some work on my mtb before, nothing serious but replacing cables, servicing pod shifters, repacking wheel bearings, and some other small repairs.
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You seem to have this pretty well thought out and understand the possible cost penalty. Treat the extra cost as tuition to bike mechanics school.

I concur with the recommendation for a Cane Creek or FSA mid-line headset and that it should be purchased new.

Ergo brifters are very good but will require a Shiftmate to use with a Shimano rear derailleur and Shimano/SRAM cassette. You want a 32T cassette and Campy doesn't make any cassettes with cogs that large or rear derailleurs that will handle them. You will need a Shimao MTB rear derailleur. Shimano road triple brifters aren't that difficult to set up for front shifting.
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You seem to have this pretty well thought out and understand the possible cost penalty. Treat the extra cost as tuition to bike mechanics school.

I concur with the recommendation for a Cane Creek or FSA mid-line headset and that it should be purchased new.

Ergo brifters are very good but will require a Shiftmate to use with a Shimano rear derailleur and Shimano/SRAM cassette. You want a 32T cassette and Campy doesn't make any cassettes with cogs that large or rear derailleurs that will handle them. You will need a Shimao MTB rear derailleur. Shimano road triple brifters aren't that difficult to set up for front shifting.
Thanks for the reply. I am definitely going to get a new headset and also a new bottom bracket. For the headset I am considering this:
http://www.performancebike.com/bikes...22_-1___400218

This should work right?
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That headset will work and be functional. However, it's a "loose ball" cup and cone type, not a cartridge bearing design so it will require more frequent maintenance and probably not be as durable. Here's one for a bit more money that has cartridge bearings:

http://www.performancebike.com/bikes...91_-1___400218
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That headset will work and be functional. However, it's a "loose ball" cup and cone type, not a cartridge bearing design so it will require more frequent maintenance and probably not be as durable. Here's one for a bit more money that has cartridge bearings:

http://www.performancebike.com/bikes...91_-1___400218
Thanks for telling me about the maintenance issue and also for the suggestion of the cane creek 40 headset.
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