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    Record 9-speed rear shifter problem: no "click" into lowest gear

    Does my rear Record 9-speed shifter need overhauling?

    Bought a pair of carbon Record 9-speed shifters used this past summer for a great deal. I assume they're the circa 2000-2001 model. I just recently put them on a bike, and while they're mostly terrific, I don't seem to have the right number of "clicks" for all nine gears. Specifically, there's no click when I press the paddle to get into the lowest gear, and I have to maintain pressure on the paddle for the shift to happen. Then sometimes on a hill I get a phantom upshift to the second cog.

    Additionally, when I hit the thumb lever to upshift it goes directly from the first cog to the third cog--only by pressing ever so slightly without effecting a click can I manage to shift only to the second cog.

    Having just typed that out, I'm convinced I do need to overhaul the innards. Right? Questions are: Which innards, exactly? Where can I get them? And also, where can I get the tweezer-like pliers used in this video of a rebuild which I intend to follow?



    Many thanks for any advice on this.
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    I think your derailleur and shifter are not set up quite right.
    My suggestion is to shift the chain onto the largest chainring and smallest cog. Disconnect the cable from the rear derailleur and push the small shift knob all the way to the bottom while pulling the loose cable out of the shifter. The idea to to make sure the shifter is in its last position and that as much of the cable as possible is out of the shifter. Screw the barrel adjuster about 3/4 of the way in. If needed adjust the high limit screw and attach the cable to the derailleur using care to route it correctly. there should be no slack in the cable. Try shifting through all cogs, you may need to turn the barrel adjuster out (counter-clockwise) adding tension to the cable.

    As you probably know, if you have early 9-speed shifters you also need an early 9-speed rear derailleur.
    Last edited by Al1943; 10-26-12 at 06:36 PM.

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    You were absolutely correct. I pulled the cable tighter, and now it works like a charm. I am actually aware of the need to do that, but somehow the cable must have inadvertently slackened in my grip when I set it up the first time. I just assumed that it was already tight enough, and so further assumed that the problem must have been elsewhere.

    Thanks!
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    Well, it's happening again. I keep tugging on the gear cable to tighten it as much as I can, but I simply cannot get the derailleur to stay in my first gear. I can manually depress the gear lever and continue to hold it to keep the gear on the first cog, but if I let go it slips back onto the second cog. What does this suggest?
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    Do you have a link to the corresponding assembly sequence?
    You may like to disassemble your lever and look for worn parts.
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    Thought I'd bump this just to see if anyone might have any ideas on this.
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    My guess, after 12 years of service, is that they need a rebuild.
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    2000 or 2001 makes a big difference as the 9 speed system changed in 2001 and is not compatible with the previous 1997-2000 9 speed system. I suspect that the derailleur and shifter are not compatible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rousseau View Post
    Well, it's happening again. I keep tugging on the gear cable to tighten it as much as I can, but I simply cannot get the derailleur to stay in my first gear. I can manually depress the gear lever and continue to hold it to keep the gear on the first cog, but if I let go it slips back onto the second cog. What does this suggest?
    The G-springs have worn or broken and perhaps the carrier has split as is normal for Campagnolo first (pointy) and second (round with a few early exceptions) generation right ergo units (third generation Ultrashift levers eliminate the G-spring setup which came from Campagnolo down-tube shifters). I only got 2-3 years out of my springs when I rode more.

    This is not a big deal. A 4 pack of replacement springs is $11 (you use two which makes that $5.50 this time)


    http://www.amazon.com/Campagnolo-Erg...pagnolo+RE-209


    and spring carrier (seems to last through about two sets of springs in first generation levers, I bypassed second generation parts with the clock spring and don't know if that's the same) $6


    http://www.amazon.com/Campagnolo-Spr...A2TE9IQP68MWQU


    Re-wrapping the handle bars is the hardest part of rebuilding the shifter.

    Campagnolo discontinued the third generation lever small parts, preferring to sell $90 replacement assemblies (everything but brake blade, hood, and mounting hardware). They also scrapped all the first generation parts (levers last made in 1997). Stocking up would be prudent.
    Last edited by Drew Eckhardt; 08-01-13 at 12:32 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dsaul View Post
    2000 or 2001 makes a big difference as the 9 speed system changed in 2001 and is not compatible with the previous 1997-2000 9 speed system. I suspect that the derailleur and shifter are not compatible.
    That's not relevant to the problem of staying in gear. The difference is entirely in the index cam with the other parts staying the same. Appropriate vintage spare parts manuals list the officially required substitutions.

    The change was in the actuation ratio from 1.5 (8/9 speed) to 1.4 (10 speed, which needs to move farther to get to the big cog which hangs off the end although the cable drum diameter is limited by the shifter body dimensions so the ratio must change) to reduce the number of derailleur bodies Campagnolo had to make. While not officially compatible for 9 cogs (just for 8 cogs provided that a narrower 9 speed chain is used to match the pulley width) many people find a new ratio derailleur works well enough with an old ratio index cam. Old derailleur with a new shifter would be less problematic because it'd produce an over-shift not an under-shift.
    Last edited by Drew Eckhardt; 08-01-13 at 02:11 PM.

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    Are you sure the inner limit screw doesn't need backing off?

    I can see a couple of the described symptoms easily being a result of this.

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    Thanks very much for the info and the links, Drew Eckhardt. I guess I'll be going on the adventure of ergo lever disassembly!
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    Also possible that your cable is too tight, and the range of motion between the inner and outer limit screws is shorter than the equivalent of 8 clicks of the lever...
    -Tanguy Frame

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    Well, I'm officially a stupid bloody moron. I had neglected to adjust the downtube barrel adjuster. Why? I don't know. But yesterday I actually tightened the cable at the downtube cable stop, and sure enough, it now shifts onto the largest cog (i.e. smallest gear). D'oh!

    I've already ordered replacement springs and a spring carrier, and the shifters are about thirteen years old or so (and the guy I bought them from is a serious rider who rides a lot), so I'm going to do the overhaul anyway. I'm looking forward to it, actually.
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    I reckon you should put off the overhaul until it's beginning to be necessary... that way you'll get the most life out of your current G-springs; you may not be able to get replacements down the line.

    I've had a couple of pairs of 8s Ergos in which the springs got tired, and I just tweaked them firmer again.

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    Yeah, certainly. Campagnolo is forever, after all. But the shifting isn't as crisp as it should be, and I've worked on enough Campy drivetrains by now to feel quite certain that the fact I've needed to tighten both the derailleur and the downtube barrel adjusters as far as they can go indicates that something is amiss in the shifter.

    Though I'm intrigued by your "tweaking" of the springs. Obviously you needed to disassemble the shifter to do that. I've never disassembled a shifter before, so I'm looking forward to that part of the experience. How exactly did you tweak the springs?
    The pleasure is momentary, the position ridiculous, and the expense damnable.

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