8 Speed -> 10 Speed Crankset?
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8 Speed -> 10 Speed Crankset?
So im running a 8 speed shifters, cassette and chain. Will this be suitable for a 10 speed crank set? im just curious because i plan on upgrading to a 10 speed sram crank set 53/39.
Is there any other changes i will have to make such as the chain?
Is there any other changes i will have to make such as the chain?
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To answer your question, you'll want to shim the chainrings with the right width of spacers to ensure that the 8-speed chain does not skate over the surface of the rings. This could cause you to lose control of the bike and get pitched over the front. Otherwise, using a 10-speed chain (3 times to cost of a 8-speed model for no reason) could get jammed up in your cassette.
So instead of your shop trying to get you to spend way more money than necessary, if your old rings are worn, replace them with 8-speed equivalents. And if your old BB needs replacement, spend $25 to get a new one.
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What do you mean by upgrade? Are you looking at saving a few grams in a non-critical spot (if you really want a performance boost, focus on light aero wheels), or strength (any crankset made by a reputable company will be plenty strong enough) or pure bling? BTW, all cranksets made by 'name' companies will be stiff enough such that no human could detect the difference between them. Finally, I have cranksets running off of the older 'square taper' bottom brackets and the newer external EXO brands. The square taper units are ultra reliable - I have had no problems with these fore more than 40 years. The external BBs have been a misery to install and keep from knocking and loosening. So these are not an upgrade either.
To answer your question, you'll want to shim the chainrings with the right width of spacers to ensure that the 8-speed chain does not skate over the surface of the rings. This could cause you to lose control of the bike and get pitched over the front. Otherwise, using a 10-speed chain (3 times to cost of a 8-speed model for no reason) could get jammed up in your cassette.
So instead of your shop trying to get you to spend way more money than necessary, if your old rings are worn, replace them with 8-speed equivalents. And if your old BB needs replacement, spend $25 to get a new one.
To answer your question, you'll want to shim the chainrings with the right width of spacers to ensure that the 8-speed chain does not skate over the surface of the rings. This could cause you to lose control of the bike and get pitched over the front. Otherwise, using a 10-speed chain (3 times to cost of a 8-speed model for no reason) could get jammed up in your cassette.
So instead of your shop trying to get you to spend way more money than necessary, if your old rings are worn, replace them with 8-speed equivalents. And if your old BB needs replacement, spend $25 to get a new one.
Anyways all i wanted to know was whether my current system will have a problem running a "10 speed crank set" the chain rings are 53/39.
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Indicud - I'm in the same boat. Super cheap stamped steel chainrings on my 7 speed were bent. There were a lot more options out there in 9/10, hardly any in new road bike 7/8, and I didn't want to go used. Some people said no problem using the 9/10 crank, some said there may be rubbing on the big ring. I found a super deal on a 9/10 with BB so I ordered it. Fall back is a square taper Shimano FC-2300 if this one doesn't look like its going to work.
Dave - Not sure what you meant by "8-speed chain does not skate over the surface of the rings." If you could elaborate that would be great.
Dave - Not sure what you meant by "8-speed chain does not skate over the surface of the rings." If you could elaborate that would be great.
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You'll be fine. Basically, the crankset doesn't care how many cogs you have in back. See Sheldon's explanation:
[h=2]Chainrings/Cranks[/h] [h=4]Old Chainrings, New Chains[/h]There is a lot of confusion about the compatibility of narrow 9- and 10-speed chains with older cranksets. Shimano says you should replace the inner chainring(s) with specially designated 9- or 10-speed ones, but then they're all too eager to sell you stuff, whether you need it or not. These chainrings have the teeth slightly farther to the right than the older chainrings to work a little better with the narrower chains. There is no difference whatever in the crank spiders.
The manufacturers also are concerned about clueless users. The worst-case scenario is that you will be riding along with the bike in its highest gear (large front, small rear) and then for some bizarre reason shift down in front before downshifting in the back. (There is no shift pattern in which it is reasonable to shift in this sequence.) [Not with a 9- or 10-speed cassette, to be sure -- John Allen] If you do shift this way, there's a small chance that the chain might "skate" over the edges of the teeth for maybe half a turn.
In practice this "problem" almost never materializes. Many, many cyclists are using 9- and 10-speed chains with older cranksets and having no problems whatever.
[h=4]New Chainrings, Old Chains[/h]Going the other direction, using wider chains with chainrings intended for narrower chains is not generally a major problem if there's only a one- or two- generation difference. The only problem you might run into is that the chain will be more liable to rub on the inside of the bigger chainrings in the small/small crossover gears, gears you shouldn't be using in any case.
The manufacturers also are concerned about clueless users. The worst-case scenario is that you will be riding along with the bike in its highest gear (large front, small rear) and then for some bizarre reason shift down in front before downshifting in the back. (There is no shift pattern in which it is reasonable to shift in this sequence.) [Not with a 9- or 10-speed cassette, to be sure -- John Allen] If you do shift this way, there's a small chance that the chain might "skate" over the edges of the teeth for maybe half a turn.
In practice this "problem" almost never materializes. Many, many cyclists are using 9- and 10-speed chains with older cranksets and having no problems whatever.
[h=4]New Chainrings, Old Chains[/h]Going the other direction, using wider chains with chainrings intended for narrower chains is not generally a major problem if there's only a one- or two- generation difference. The only problem you might run into is that the chain will be more liable to rub on the inside of the bigger chainrings in the small/small crossover gears, gears you shouldn't be using in any case.
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Indicud - I'm in the same boat. Super cheap stamped steel chainrings on my 7 speed were bent. There were a lot more options out there in 9/10, hardly any in new road bike 7/8, and I didn't want to go used. Some people said no problem using the 9/10 crank, some said there may be rubbing on the big ring. I found a super deal on a 9/10 with BB so I ordered it. Fall back is a square taper Shimano FC-2300 if this one doesn't look like its going to work.
Dave - Not sure what you meant by "8-speed chain does not skate over the surface of the rings." If you could elaborate that would be great.
Dave - Not sure what you meant by "8-speed chain does not skate over the surface of the rings." If you could elaborate that would be great.
So here is another question: cranksets which have steel rings riveted on the chainring spider come on the cheapest of bikes - in my part of the world sub-$400 models. Maybe you should spend some time thinking why you would want to spend $200+ on a 10-speed crankset for a (now depreciated) $400 bike....
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This happened to me during the summer when I accidentially installed a 8-speed chain on a Campy 10-speed crankset. When making the shift from the large to small ring the chain did not engage on the chainring teeth, but rode for at least a full revolution on the top of the ring teeth. I was starting to apply power at the time, and it was a good thing that I didn't get pitched off of the front of the bike. It happened again shortly afterwards, at which point I had a closer look at the chain/ring combo. Worked fine after replacing the chain.
So here is another question: cranksets which have steel rings riveted on the chainring spider come on the cheapest of bikes - in my part of the world sub-$400 models. Maybe you should spend some time thinking why you would want to spend $200+ on a 10-speed crankset for a (now depreciated) $400 bike....
So here is another question: cranksets which have steel rings riveted on the chainring spider come on the cheapest of bikes - in my part of the world sub-$400 models. Maybe you should spend some time thinking why you would want to spend $200+ on a 10-speed crankset for a (now depreciated) $400 bike....
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Because everything that's new is evil and terrible!!!
Seriously though, I'm not a fan of 10-speed cassettes but unfortunately these days you can't get many higher quality parts in the 7 and 8 speed versions. What kind of cranks are you looking at? For about $60 you can get a nice Shimano external bearing Sora model in standard, compact, or triple, depending on your preference. That's what I'd go for. https://www.ebay.com/itm/SHIMANO-SORA...item35c21b1055
Completely up to you though.
Seriously though, I'm not a fan of 10-speed cassettes but unfortunately these days you can't get many higher quality parts in the 7 and 8 speed versions. What kind of cranks are you looking at? For about $60 you can get a nice Shimano external bearing Sora model in standard, compact, or triple, depending on your preference. That's what I'd go for. https://www.ebay.com/itm/SHIMANO-SORA...item35c21b1055
Completely up to you though.
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Because everything that's new is evil and terrible!!!
Seriously though, I'm not a fan of 10-speed cassettes but unfortunately these days you can't get many higher quality parts in the 7 and 8 speed versions. What kind of cranks are you looking at? For about $60 you can get a nice Shimano external bearing Sora model in standard, compact, or triple, depending on your preference. That's what I'd go for. https://www.ebay.com/itm/SHIMANO-SORA...item35c21b1055
Completely up to you though.
Seriously though, I'm not a fan of 10-speed cassettes but unfortunately these days you can't get many higher quality parts in the 7 and 8 speed versions. What kind of cranks are you looking at? For about $60 you can get a nice Shimano external bearing Sora model in standard, compact, or triple, depending on your preference. That's what I'd go for. https://www.ebay.com/itm/SHIMANO-SORA...item35c21b1055
Completely up to you though.
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