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Old 01-13-13, 08:32 PM   #1
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Campagnolo Veloce 10 speed shifter problems

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I've searched the internet and so have read a few rebuilds and watched some videos, but would like to be absolutely sure I know what is going on with my Veloce shifter. The right 10 speed will shift fine when there is no cable connected, but once you hook it up to the derailleur, it starts skipping gears when you shift up using the trigger. Sometimes it will shift all the way to the bottom of the cassette, and then when you try to shift down using the paddle, it won't catch and will just shift down and up and down and up, and you have to do some fiddling to get it to catch again.

I watched this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y5Sn_Jnkus and the shifters have the same internals. Which parts would be replaced to stop this happening, assuming the parts are even available?
I pulled mine apart and didn't see anything obvious, so I don't know if it's just one of the springs not having enough tension to overcome the derailleur spring.

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Usually the index springs need to be replaced.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Campagnolo-E...item5d329c7250
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Yeah, the type of shifter I have doesn't use those. I just got an email from a bike shop saying that though you can get parts for other types of Campy ergo shifters, this particular type has parts for which replacements are unavailable.
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If they were made in 2007 or later that's correct. When were they made?
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Not sure but it looks like maybe 2008, from what I can glean from a .pdf I found.
So I've started looking on ChainReaction and Wiggle for some new ones. Trying to find out if the ones they sell are not the Escape mechanism, as that seems to be the problem. The ones they have say they are Ergopower Powershift, so I'll email them to clarify what that means as when I buy some I would like them to be repairable.
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Yeah, the type of shifter I have doesn't use those. I just got an email from a bike shop saying that though you can get parts for other types of Campy ergo shifters, this particular type has parts for which replacements are unavailable.
I'm guessing you have the 10 speed Escape and I have also read that small parts are a problem, however I did find this at Amazon; http://www.amazon.com/Campagnolo-Rig.../dp/B001IOW3UC, which might do the trick..

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Not sure but it looks like maybe 2008, from what I can glean from a .pdf I found.
So I've started looking on ChainReaction and Wiggle for some new ones. Trying to find out if the ones they sell are not the Escape mechanism, as that seems to be the problem. The ones they have say they are Ergopower Powershift, so I'll email them to clarify what that means as when I buy some I would like them to be repairable.
If your happy with your Veloce 10 speed and the Campagnolo-Right-Body-Escape-Shifteris the ticket for repair, you might want to buy 2

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^^^Ooo thanks for that, gives me another option to look at!
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^^^Ooo thanks for that, gives me another option to look at!
I did a little more checking and indeed this apparently is the ticket for rebuilding 10 speed Escape shifters..
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I am curious however as to which part actually wears, and if there is a bodge or mod I could make (just for fun) that could fix or prolong the life of it. Like, filing another slot for the spring to increase the tension on it, or something like that.
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Usually the index springs need to be replaced.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Campagnolo-E...item5d329c7250
That's the normal issue, but when it's this extreme it's usually a cracked spring carrier ring. In any case replace the springs and carrier as a set since ring failure soon after springs are replaced is very common.
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I am curious however as to which part actually wears, and if there is a bodge or mod I could make (just for fun) that could fix or prolong the life of it. Like, filing another slot for the spring to increase the tension on it, or something like that.
Having recoed a few sets of older-style Ergos by merely tweaking the index springs, this would be my first thought; it's likely just a case of tired springs rather than wear... although not having had a chance to inspect the guts of later Ergos, I could easily be wrong.

I saw the guts of some Doubletaps at a bike show a couple of months back, and I've gotta say they compare very favourably to Ergos and STIs from an engineering perspective; such a beautifully simple mechanism. Doubletap looks like it may eventually succumb to wear, perhaps being less durable than 1st-gen STIs (which mostly only keep working long enough to wear out if they're overhauled to replace the crappy grease), but the next brifters I buy will be SRAM for sure.
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....but the next brifters I buy will be SRAM for sure.
I was interested in those SRAM Doubletaps when they were first introduced but what has kept me away is SRAM's refusal to provide triple crank versions. I insist a triple both for the lower gears and to keep the rear cassette adequately close geared. Yeah, SRAM's APEX provides a wide gear range but at the expense of huge gaps in the cassette.
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I'd like to see one of these apart sometime. I'd like to see why they charge over $60 (Amazon link) to repair vs. the old $20 carrier and springs. Is this yet another way that a company has done some "cost reducing" which ended up costing the customer a lot more? Sick...
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I'd like to see one of these apart sometime. I'd like to see why they charge over $60 (Amazon link) to repair vs. the old $20 carrier and springs. Is this yet another way that a company has done some "cost reducing" which ended up costing the customer a lot more? Sick...
The exploded views of all shifter models are available at www.campagnolo.com. The escape mechanism shifters are nothing like the first generation of Campy ergos, up to 2008. If would cost a few bucks to repair the shifter, but Campy has quit selling most of the small parts to make repairs. The new ultrashift mechanism has no g-springs or spring retainer to wear out and little maintenance is expected.

To repair a current ultrashift or powershift (escape) lever, you have to buy a major assembly that includes everything but the brake lever, band clamp and brake hood.
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The exploded views of all shifter models are available at www.campagnolo.com. The escape mechanism shifters are nothing like the first generation of Campy ergos, up to 2008. If would cost a few bucks to repair the shifter, but Campy has quit selling most of the small parts to make repairs. The new ultrashift mechanism has no g-springs or spring retainer to wear out and little maintenance is expected.

To repair a current ultrashift or powershift (escape) lever, you have to buy a major assembly that includes everything but the brake lever, band clamp and brake hood.
Ok, so we have people out there re-conditioning the same sort of thing (read: Shimano brifters) out there, even on EBay. If they can do it, why can't I? I realize that the sub-assembly is what Corporate Campagnolo want us to pay triple the money for. Is there any other way to do a repair on the post-2006 brifters for less than what Corporate wants to charge us? Anyone out there do so?
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Shimano shifters can't be repaired either, unless you've got donor parts from wreck-damaged shifters. If the shifter just needs cleaned and lubed, then you can do that with any brand.

The bottom line is if there's a broken internal part that needs replaced, you're out of luck.

I disassembled the new ultrashift levers, back in '08. I've also converted 10 speed ultrashift levers to 11 speed, but I had a wreck-damaged shifter to supply the one part needed.

http://forums.roadbikereview.com/cam...er-154068.html
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Shimano shifters can't be repaired either, unless you've got donor parts from wreck-damaged shifters. If the shifter just needs cleaned and lubed, then you can do that with any brand.

The bottom line is if there's a broken internal part that needs replaced, you're out of luck.

I disassembled the new ultrashift levers, back in '08. I've also converted 10 speed ultrashift levers to 11 speed, but I had a wreck-damaged shifter to supply the one part needed.

http://forums.roadbikereview.com/cam...er-154068.html
That would make sense: donor parts from broken shifters you get cheap off EBay
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So I went ahead and ordered one of the replacement shifter bodies. Hopefully I'll get plenty of miles out of it, and then I can ride while keeping an eye out for some newer better or older rebuildable shifters.

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