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Old 04-04-13, 06:38 AM   #1
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front wheel creaking

I've got a 650b wheel, and it makes a creaking sound.
It's not loud, but I have had it adjusted 4 times and it is
still doing it. The wheel was hand built by a good builder.

So I think I need to put in stronger spokes, or replace the rim,
or both.

The rear wheel has the same Velocity rim and is fine. It does have
heavier spokes.
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Old 04-04-13, 06:48 AM   #2
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You'll have to more accurately discern where the 'creak' is coming from - it might not be from the spokes at all, and could be the hub maybe?

What did the 'adjustments' consist of, and did they change the sound/tone/pitch of the creak at all?

If the wheel was hand-built (& tensioned and stress-relieved) by a competent wheel-builder, then just changing out the spokes and/or rim for 'stronger' ones shouldn't really make any real difference.

Are you sure the 'creak' is coming from the new wheel altogether? Might it not be coming from the frame/handlebars/stem/headset/QR skewer etc.. (you get the idea )
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Creaks and such are difficult to find and could be from anywhere on the bike regardless of where you think they are coming from. Noises from wheels are more likely to be pings, rumbles, or whines, not creaks. More like sources would be handlebars, stems, racks (front or rear). Is the creak sync'ed with anything like speed, pedal cadence? When does it occur and more importantly, when does it not occur?
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Step number one is to try a different wheel. Sounds travel and there are multiple points where parts come together and could creak.

Step number two is to include more detail - I creaks when - out of the saddle, going uphill, all the time. What is the pattern - once per wheel rev, random, other frequency. What exactly does it sound like - is it very brief or drawn out, high or lower pitch? Did it come on suddenly or gradually get worse. Finally, as already noted you need to say what you mean by "adjusted" and who did it, what if anything they said about the creaking, and what if anything you have checked.

Step three - Do not assume that a difference is the same as a cause. The rear having different spokes is not likely the reason for the creak.
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You'll have to more accurately discern where the 'creak' is coming from - it might not be from the spokes at all, and could be the hub maybe?

What did the 'adjustments' consist of, and did they change the sound/tone/pitch of the creak at all?

If the wheel was hand-built (& tensioned and stress-relieved) by a competent wheel-builder, then just changing out the spokes and/or rim for 'stronger' ones shouldn't really make any real difference.

Are you sure the 'creak' is coming from the new wheel altogether? Might it not be coming from the frame/handlebars/stem/headset/QR skewer etc.. (you get the idea )
The hub is XTR.

Creak may be the wrong word, you could also call it a clicking noise
that gets faster as the bike goes faster.

My guess is that the rim is defective.
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Sounds more like a bearing issue or rim is touching the brake pad.
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My guess is that the rim is defective.
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Try a new skewer.
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The hub is XTR.

Creak may be the wrong word, you could also call it a clicking noise
that gets faster as the bike goes faster.

My guess is that the rim is defective.
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Sounds more like a bearing issue or rim is touching the brake pad.
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Try a new skewer.
There's no sense in throwing out guesses until some things have been eliminated by a logical process, unless one just wants to be the first to guess the right answer. But just for the record, it's unusual for bearings to cause any kind of rhytmic noise, and rubber on metal is highly unlikely to cause a creak or click.

TO THE OP: Again, just trade out the wheel. If the creak is gone it's the wheel and you could try a different skewer to eliminate that. And if you want help then please answer the diagnostic questions above (post #4) that can assist in solving the problem.
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Old 04-04-13, 04:46 PM   #11
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Thanks, the wife is also 650b, and I can try her wheel.
Actually, her first rim was defective, Velocity rebuilt it,
and overbuilt it. I may just take her wheel, and give her
mine. At 110 pounds, she isn't likely to have the same problem.
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Step number one is to try a different wheel.
Given the small size, it might be easier to eliminate the front wheel by trying it in another bike. Being careful about the lack of front brakes, of course...
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What is the pattern - once per wheel rev, random, other frequency. What exactly does it sound like - is it very brief or drawn out, high or lower pitch? Did it come on suddenly or gradually get worse. Finally, as already noted you need to say what you mean by "adjusted" and who did it, what if anything they said about the creaking, and what if anything you have checked.
Yes... there is almost always a pattern. Great creak post!

I tend to replace the BB or the chain ring bolts and then discover it's the saddle.
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Are the knee's going bad? I know my make noises that could be mistaken for wheel noise...
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