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    What is the best full frame pump?

    Does anyone have a favorite frame pump that is designed to be full length and be held in place by the pump peg and spring tension inside the pump? I do not know what this style is called, but it is the older style that was held in place just bu spring compression in the pump and you had to but the right size to fit your frame length? I am thinking of going back to this style as I recall they deliver a lot more air per stroke...

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    I've got a Zephal hp X 4 that still in great shape after 20 years. Probably still a good brand today.

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    I have Silcas w/ Campy heads that are 40+ years old and still outperform anything I've seen since. Lately I've tried and been sorely disappointed with both the Topeak and Planet bike road pumps.

    Both have weak, inadequately stiff piston rods, and a sloppy guide bushing. On one (I forget which) the piston came off the end of the rod leaving me stranded on the road.

    Because my Silcas don't fit my commuter's frame I'm still on the hunt for a decent pump.
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    Doubtless, best? Bruce Gordon's,


    He has a hand made Titanium version of the Silca Impiro.
    It also uses the Campag Pump head.

    Being Ti instead of aluminum and plastic .. wounds can pe impressed
    in a pursuing hound's noggin' , and still pump your tires afterward..

    only weighs a wee bit more..
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    If you're not totally set on a full frame pump and could deal with something smaller, I have been very impressed with my lezyne road drive pump. High max pressure and decent volume per stroke. I have the CFH model, which allows for the flexible tube to be a CO2 inflator as well. Check it out. http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/catego...e-cfh-11-45192
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    with air pumps, the longer the stroke, the more air gets moved, especially at higher pressures. a short fat pump works ok at low pressures, but when you get up over 100psi, you need like 8:1 compression before you move ANY air.

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    My NOT favorite is Blackburn. The plunger seal gives out, but you only find out when you have a flat. Garbage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by koolerb View Post
    I've got a Zephal hp X 4 that still in great shape after 20 years. Probably still a good brand today.
    This ^^^^

    Another enthusiastic endorsement. Although pump only twelve years old.
    Purchased an hpX 4 with the then brand spanking new Epic Adventure Bike. It was the only pump I had for over two years. Near daily use pumping up to 120-125 psi (I Was much heavier then, and before the cush ride/fat tire on road bike movement, thin was still 'in'). Still have and use the same pump on the trek 520 to this day when on tour.

    Purchased two more *spares* off e-bay a couple years ago when it looked like they were discontinued (not listed on Zefal website. no parts listed either). I noticed last year that parts are now available direct from Zefal, as well as the pump being back in the catalog.

    What I really like about full length frame pumps is that they make an impressive *Reflector Bar* when the body of the pump, between the handles is covered with white 3M diamond grade reflector tape.

    This works really well with the hpX series as the body of the Top handle is also alloy and can be relectorized quite easily, in addition to the body of the pump.
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    hey, I can heartily recommend the Silca Imperial frame pump I bought in the mid 1970s, with the campy tip. that pump just works and works and works. its sized so it fits directly up against the top tube without needing any frame hardware (the bottom end nests against the BB/seattube/downtube junction). about all the maintenance its ever had is a drop or two of oil on the leather piston cup every few years. catch-22, I don't think you can buy these anymore. and even if you can, they probably aren't made in Italy. it will pump a 25c tire from completely flat up to 120psi in a few strokes

    sadly, I don't hardly ever ride the bike it fits anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HvPnyrs View Post
    Another enthusiastic endorsement. Although pump only twelve years old.
    Purchased an hpX 4 with the then brand spanking new Epic Adventure Bike. It was the only pump I had for over two years. Near daily use pumping up to 120-125 psi (I Was much heavier then, and before the cush ride/fat tire on road bike movement, thin was still 'in'). Still have and use the same pump on the trek 520 to this day when on tour.

    Purchased two more *spares* off e-bay a couple years ago when it looked like they were discontinued (not listed on Zefal website. no parts listed either). I noticed last year that parts are now available direct from Zefal, as well as the pump being back in the catalog.
    This works really well with the hpX series as the body of the Top handle is also alloy and can be relectorized quite easily, in addition to the body of the pump.
    Good to hear that they are producing the HP-X model again since it's my favorite as well. Zefal's later models were not nearly as durable. Also have one of their old HP (without the 'X') pumps from the '70s on one of my bikes.

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    +100 on the HPX pumps. Have one on each of my bikes (well the track bike does have a Silca...). I also use the Double Shot floor pumps. Maybe being that I know what i'm doing i've never had the problems with the DS pump that others have had. Andy.

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    I now carry a Lezyne road drive and a C02 cartridge. 15-20 quick pumps plus one 16g C02 tops me off perfectly and very quickly, with less weight than a full pump (which doesn't mount on my bike). If I have to do a second flat the little Road Drive does absolutely fine. Nothing replaces a large pump for speed and convenience but the little Lezyne is the best tiny pump I've ever used and actually will get my tire up to 100lb+ with no problem.

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    Another vote for the Zefal HPX. Mine lasted over 20 yrs surviving many ham fisted riders that I loaned it out to while they were stranded out on the road with their own pumps that broke or had run out of CO2 cartridges. The final blow was by some knucklehead that ran out of his CO2 and decided to bang my Zefal pump against a tree with every pumping stroke which dislodged the pump head and broke off his tube stem which he left in the pump as he handed it back to me. Actually it's still repairable but I bought a smaller Leyzye to carry in my bag when locking up the bike but it's not as easy to use as the HPX. You can still get spare parts for these to fix almost anything that wears out or gets destroyed. Note: Whenever helping a stranded cyclist, do the pumping yourself. Your pump will last much longer.

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    I have a Zefal HP X 3 that is 22 years old and still works great. It was purchased with my 1991 Trek 1400 and was still on the bike when I got my hands on it this past fall. While I still prefer the Road Morph G that I carry on one of my other bikes, the Zefal frame pump certainly is convenient given its mounting location.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pierce View Post
    hey, I can heartily recommend the Silca Imperial
    Err... Impero, that is.

    frame pump I bought in the mid 1970s, with the campy tip. that pump just works and works and works. its sized so it fits directly up against the top tube without needing any frame hardware (the bottom end nests against the BB/seattube/downtube junction). about all the maintenance its ever had is a drop or two of oil on the leather piston cup every few years. catch-22, I don't think you can buy these anymore. and even if you can, they probably aren't made in Italy. it will pump a 25c tire from completely flat up to 120psi in a few strokes
    I agree, the Silca Impero is a fine pump. NOS pump bodies in various lengths and colors are regularly found on eBay. Patience will get you one at a reasonable price. Unfortunately, the plastic body tends to get brittle with age. I may need to check out that Bruce Gordon pump. My second favorite is the Zefal pump.

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    I have two Silca Impero's. don't know the age of one of them but the other is at least 40 years old with only a leather seal having been replaced. It also has the Silca head on it with newer gaskets. Works as well as it did when I bought it in 1973.

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    I have a deep seated dislike for pumps that fix directly on to the stem (like most frame pumps). They're pretty hard to use too IMO. I have a topeak road morph G that's awesome for flat tires but since even that's too big for my taste I got a lezyne road drive. The road morph is like a little floor pump though, it's awesome. You can zip tie the mount under your top tube and live happy. And you won't trash your stems trying to get to 100 psi either.

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    I really like Lezyne pumps. I have a steel floor pump and an "mini" polished floor pump (which could be mounted to water cage braze ons, but would look silly and bulky on a road bike). Thinking of getting a polished silver road pump (the longer one). It has a hose that stores inside, but still mounts on braze ons, leaving me with an unused pump peg on my head tube Wish they made a full length frame pump in the same design (with hose).

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    Yeah those old Zefal HPs are great pumps until the aluminum handle gets dented, then -- erp! -- not so smooth.

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    My Park works quite well. I prefer the Road Morph though, can be used as a floor pump, I like the hose,
    easier on stems.
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    Blackburn is awful.

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    +1 on Zefal HPx

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    I seem to recall, in the late 70s, early 80s, the zefals were the /2nd/ best pumps, their main downfall was how easily they dented.

    re: direct-on-the-presto-valve pumps, I never had any problems doing this with a long barrel pump. I'd hook my thumb over the tire, and forefinger around the end of the pump, with the other fingers around the base of the barrel of the pump, and had no problems pumping silk tubulars to 120, even 140psi. since those tubulars had latex inner tubes, you were doing this several times a day if you cared, your tires would be nearly completely flat the next day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenout View Post
    Blackburn is awful.
    Yup. I called and complained and they sent me a new one. Now I have 2 useless pumps for the garbage can.

    My old Zefal still works after getting dinged up convincing a dog to run back to it's house.

    The adjustable Park is decent because it can be used to fit multiple frame sizes. I swap it between different bikes sometimes.
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