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    Gunnar VS Waterford

    Does anyone know the difference between a Waterford and a Gunnar? I know they are made in the same factory. Does that mean they use the same quality construction or is the Gunnar of lesser quality? Also, Does anyone know if the Roadie has changes from the 2003 model to the 2005 model? If so, what is the significance of the changes?

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    Gunnar is a Waterford.

    "With the introduction of air-hardening steels during the mid-1990's, Waterford wanted to take advantage of its skills in TIG welding BMX bikes and to introduce a budget line of semi-custom bikes. So in 1998, Waterford introduced Gunnar, named after Richard's chocolate lab. Gunnar became a real success, allowing the company to introduce new designs for a variety of riding needs, from cyclecross/commuter bikes, to fixed gear training bikes to off-road touring. For more information, visit gunnarbikes.com."

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    Yes but a Cadillac and a Chevrolet are both GMs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJK
    Also, Does anyone know if the Roadie has changes from the 2003 model to the 2005 model? If so, what is the significance of the changes?
    looking at that 56cm frame on ebay, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJK
    Yes but a Cadillac and a Chevrolet are both GMs.
    As noted, Gunnar is just Waterford's less expensive TIG welded line. It's still a fine marque though I generally think the retail is probably higher than it's worth. I know people who have Gunnar frames and are quite happy with them.

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    It looks tempting at $199.00

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    yup, now at $205... I think it's gonna go closer to $300. Way more than I'm willing, which it already passed.

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    Hey, at $200, for sure! On the other hand, I'd like a Street Dog but that frameset retails upwards of $900.

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    I often hear that the Gunnars are simply TIG welded Waterfords, but Waterford offers a line of TIG welded bikes under the Waterford name that are still twice as much as the Gunnar frame sets. So there must be some difference other than lugs vs TIG. Anybody know the real poop?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SJK
    Does anyone know the difference between a Waterford and a Gunnar? I know they are made in the same factory. Does that mean they use the same quality construction or is the Gunnar of lesser quality? Also, Does anyone know if the Roadie has changes from the 2003 model to the 2005 model? If so, what is the significance of the changes?
    I thought they started using S3 steel for 2005, as opposed to the 853 of previous years. I could be wrong. www.gunnarbikes.com

    EDIT: is OS2 steel, not S3. never heard of OS2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phatman
    EDIT: is OS2 steel, not S3. never heard of OS2.
    OS2 was (is?) an IBM operating system

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    Gunnar is the dog's name.

    Waterford is the name of the town the plant is in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peek the Geek
    I often hear that the Gunnars are simply TIG welded Waterfords, but Waterford offers a line of TIG welded bikes under the Waterford name that are still twice as much as the Gunnar frame sets. So there must be some difference other than lugs vs TIG. Anybody know the real poop?
    Yeah, check both sites and have the comprehension switch in the on position.

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    os2 is gunnar's tubeset consisting of a mix of 853 and true temper ox platinum.
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    from what i understand the difference between waterford and gunnar is that waterford only builds bikes from customer supplied dimensions while gunnar's come only in certain sizes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by legalize_it
    from what i understand the difference between waterford and gunnar is that waterford only builds bikes from customer supplied dimensions while gunnar's come only in certain sizes.
    Don't forget construction method and tubing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sydney
    Don't forget construction method and tubing.
    ya kinda, but you can get any waterford with the tubing that they use for gunnars, and waterfords lightest framesets are TIG welded just like gunnars... but i do also agree bc you cant get any gunnars lugged. i work in a shop that deals waterfords, im saving my pennies for a waterford track.. ooooo yaaaa

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    Quote Originally Posted by legalize_it
    ya kinda, but you can get any waterford with the tubing that they use for gunnars, and waterfords lightest framesets are TIG welded just like gunnars... but i do also agree bc you cant get any gunnars lugged. i work in a shop that deals waterfords, im saving my pennies for a waterford track.. ooooo yaaaa
    Yeah, and the gunner only comes with one tubeset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phatman
    I thought they started using S3 steel for 2005, as opposed to the 853 of previous years. I could be wrong. www.gunnarbikes.com

    EDIT: is OS2 steel, not S3. never heard of OS2.
    From Gunnar's site:

    "OS2 - Our updated butted tube sets, featuring True Temper OX Platinum and Reynolds 853 air-hardening steel alloys, custom drawn to our rigorous specs. New asymmetrical D section chainstays provide rigidity along with generous chainring and tire clearance. Tubeset specifications vary by frame size to offer riders of all sizes the strength and stiffness they need. "
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    Gunnar is a non-custom Waterford.

    Waterford does make TIG frames but they so also have the lugged frames.

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    A better way to say it might be that Gunnar offers standard size frames and charges an additional $350 for custom.

    Waterford is custom only, no "signature" sizes.

    But the big differences still lie in the tubing. Gunnar is 853/TT Ox Platinum, TIG only.

    Waterford is TIG or lugged with either S3 tubing or a couple of other customized versions of TT OxP and 853.

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