BB fused with frame?
I have a commuter bike that is now hanging in my garage because the LBS (new city) could not get the BB out when it went bad. I rode that bike for a good 6-7 years and since it was my first bike, I had NO clue about upkeep and my old LBS (old city) never ever recommened that I bring the bike in for service. My new LBS, is great at that and when they suggested that I get the BB removed and regreased once a year I looked at them with disbelief and they probably thought I was nuts for never getting my BB serviced.
Long story short: the BB seems to be fused to the frame and since the BB is trash, so is the frame. I have a new commuter that I am learning to upkeep it myself but I'd like to ressurect my old commuter frame and build a new bike from scratch myself. Is there ANY way I can get the BB out without doing damage to the frame? What if I let it soak in some gasoline for a week? Any ideas? The frame is chro-moly and I bought the bike new in 1996 (I think). It was a Giant Yukon if that makes any difference. |
Originally Posted by soda
I have a commuter bike that is now hanging in my garage because the LBS (new city) could not get the BB out when it went bad. I rode that bike for a good 6-7 years and since it was my first bike, I had NO clue about upkeep and my old LBS (old city) never ever recommened that I bring the bike in for service. My new LBS, is great at that and when they suggested that I get the BB removed and regreased once a year I looked at them with disbelief and they probably thought I was nuts for never getting my BB serviced.
Long story short: the BB seems to be fused to the frame and since the BB is trash, so is the frame. I have a new commuter that I am learning to upkeep it myself but I'd like to ressurect my old commuter frame and build a new bike from scratch myself. Is there ANY way I can get the BB out without doing damage to the frame? What if I let it soak in some gasoline for a week? Any ideas? The frame is chro-moly and I bought the bike new in 1996 (I think). It was a Giant Yukon if that makes any difference. |
Originally Posted by soda
What if I let it soak in some gasoline for a week? Any ideas?
The frame is chro-moly and I bought the bike new in 1996 (I think). It was a Giant Yukon if that makes any difference. :eek: no open containers of gasoline! Try kerosene instead. What kind of BB is it? cartridge or cup & cone? |
Soak the crap out of it in Liquid Wrench for a couple of days and then try again. Worse case scenario you can cut/chisel out the cups with a Dremel rotary tool.
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PB Blaster will eat the corrosion right out of the frozen threads. Spray it down good and let it sit overnight.
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okay... no gasoline! lol... I didn't expect that kind of reaction. I'll give the other products some thought. I'll see if I can find some liquid wrench or this PB Blaster and give one or the other a try. Thanks for the suggestions.
It's a cartridge if I remember correctly. I made this post without even looking at the thing first. |
Remove your seatpost and spray a LOT down into the bb shell, then lean the bike over to one side for a while to get that side going. Then spray again and lean to the other side. You can also remove the cable guide on the bottom of the bb shell and spray it in that way too.
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With cartridge you should be able to fit the splined tool in there, thread a bolt through the outside of the tool into the spindle (though I suppose this assumes you have a hollow spindle), and use a wrench with a cheater bar to get pretty much all the leverage you want. That combined with the penetrating oil or other treatments should break the BB loose.
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Try heating up the BB tube with a heat gun. You may ruin the paint job, but it sounds like you have nothing to lose.
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I've had success chucking my bottom bracket tool into a bench vise. Get a helper to assist you in threading the bottom bracket onto the tool. Think it through to be sure you are turning it the right way and use the whole bike frame as a lever. That cartridge bottom bracket will come loose.
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My LBS could not get the BB out of my 11 year old Giant Yukon. No matter what they did the BB tool would come out of the splines with enough force. Even standing on the thing. So I went home put it in the bike stand used a huge "C" clamp to hold the BB tool from popping out and took it out myself.
Does the BB tool come out of the splines under a lot of pressure? edit post: This cartridge BB was in there from the factory. I got the bike in 1994 and replaced the BB last year or the year before. |
First, make sure you are turning the cup or retianer the correct way. English treads are left threaded.
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Originally Posted by DieselDan
First, make sure you are turning the cup or retianer the correct way. English treads are left threaded.
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Originally Posted by 2manybikes
My LBS could not get the BB out of my 11 year old Giant Yukon. No matter what they did the BB tool would come out of the splines with enough force. Even standing on the thing. So I went home put it in the bike stand used a huge "C" clamp to hold the BB tool from popping out and took it out myself.
Does the BB tool come out of the splines under a lot of pressure? edit post: This cartridge BB was in there from the factory. I got the bike in 1994 and replaced the BB last year or the year before. http://www.biketoolsetc.com/index.cg...tem_id=SN-FCC1 No guarantees, but I have found it to be of great use with stubborn BBs (and much easier to use than a c-clamp - I used to do that myself). The biggest problem with most low cost BB tools is that they are flat and slip off. This clamp prevents that. It cost's ~$40, but will work with any flat BB fixed cup tool. It's worth every penny, IMHO. If you look in Barnett's at the list of recommended tools for BB removal, this Stein clamp is right at the top of the list. An even better solution would be the Hozan or VAR BB fixed cup tools, but they are very expensive ($100-200), and they may not even have the correct pattern for your fixed cup. More info on the Stein clamp and other Stein BB tools at: http://www.jastein.com/Tools_for_Cranks.htm |
Originally Posted by cascade168
This tool is made specifically to hold BB tools in place. It works great:
http://www.biketoolsetc.com/index.cg...tem_id=SN-FCC1 No guarantees, but I have found it to be of great use with stubborn BBs (and much easier to use than a c-clamp - I used to do that myself). The biggest problem with most low cost BB tools is that they are flat and slip off. This clamp prevents that. It cost's ~$40, but will work with any flat BB fixed cup tool. It's worth every penny, IMHO. If you look in Barnett's at the list of recommended tools for BB removal, this Stein clamp is right at the top of the list. An even better solution would be the Hozan or VAR BB fixed cup tools, but they are very expensive ($100-200), and they may not even have the correct pattern for your fixed cup. More info on the Stein clamp and other Stein BB tools at: http://www.jastein.com/Tools_for_Cranks.htm |
Originally Posted by sydney
Damm cool dude! somehow I have always managed with a selection of bolts and washers. But I'm just a dummy. But a dummy with money in the bank.
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This thread has certainly been informative and I thank everyone for their input. I got a chance to look at the BB and I took some pictures. Have a look below and tell me if this can be done. The first image is of the drivetrain side. I'd also like to point out that the spindel moves freely from side to side but I cannot remove it from the BB. Right now I'm most confused about "locking" the tool to the BB. The only thing I have is this: http://www.parktool.com/tools/BBT_2.shtml which did the job for me to remove and regrease my BB in my Kona. I think I need more tools.
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Originally Posted by cascade168
This tool is made specifically to hold BB tools in place. It works great:
http://www.biketoolsetc.com/index.cg...tem_id=SN-FCC1 No guarantees, but I have found it to be of great use with stubborn BBs (and much easier to use than a c-clamp - I used to do that myself). The biggest problem with most low cost BB tools is that they are flat and slip off. This clamp prevents that. It cost's ~$40, but will work with any flat BB fixed cup tool. It's worth every penny, IMHO. If you look in Barnett's at the list of recommended tools for BB removal, this Stein clamp is right at the top of the list. An even better solution would be the Hozan or VAR BB fixed cup tools, but they are very expensive ($100-200), and they may not even have the correct pattern for your fixed cup. More info on the Stein clamp and other Stein BB tools at: http://www.jastein.com/Tools_for_Cranks.htm |
Originally Posted by 2manybikes
My LBS could not get the BB out of my 11 year old Giant Yukon. No matter what they did the BB tool would come out of the splines with enough force. Even standing on the thing. So I went home put it in the bike stand used a huge "C" clamp to hold the BB tool from popping out and took it out myself.
Does the BB tool come out of the splines under a lot of pressure? edit post: This cartridge BB was in there from the factory. I got the bike in 1994 and replaced the BB last year or the year before. |
Originally Posted by soda
This thread has certainly been informative and I thank everyone for their input. I got a chance to look at the BB and I took some pictures. Have a look below and tell me if this can be done. The first image is of the drivetrain side. I'd also like to point out that the spindel moves freely from side to side but I cannot remove it from the BB. Right now I'm most confused about "locking" the tool to the BB. The only thing I have is this: http://www.parktool.com/tools/BBT_2.shtml which did the job for me to remove and regrease my BB in my Kona. I think I need more tools.
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